Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5886 (December 06, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5886 Tue 06 December 2011


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Hop Aroma ("A. J. deLange")
Re: Hop aroma (TARogue)


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Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 08:03:46 -0500
From: "A. J. deLange" <ajdelan at gmail.com>
Subject: Hop Aroma

Hop aroma (and flavor) come from the essential oils. Putting hop flowers
in a hammer mill and then compressing the powder into pellets has got to
have a detrimental effect on these volatile oils. Thus I'd offer that
the first step in obtaining aroma/flavor is to use at least some portion
of leaf hops. These seem to be getting harder and harder to get.
Obviously packaging in the small quantities that home brewers buy and
doing it for a couple dozen varieties has got to be easier with pellets
than leaf and the wholesalers seem to be going that way.

Second factor is heat which drives off the essential oils so to maximize
aroma and flavor one needs to minimize heat. Dry hopping is obviously
one way to go. Late kettle additions (even right at knockout) is another.

Seems to me that the ultimate way to get lots of aroma and flavor is not
to use hops at all but rather their extracted essential oils. One way to
get these is by steam distillation of a quantity of hops. This you can
do yourself but it does take some equipment and know how (not much of
the latter). Or you can buy the essential oils of several varieties from
the larger HB suppliers. Adding essential oils to the beer will give you
much more flavor and aroma than you can reasonably expect to get from
flowers and/or pellets. Some interesting beers result.

A.J.

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:32:45 -0800 (PST)
From: TARogue <tarogue at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hop aroma

- --- On Tue, 12/6/11, Scott Dunn wrote:

>

> Hello group:

>

> I have been having trouble getting hop aroma in my brews. I

> could use a bit

> of a refresher or perhaps some advise.

>

For hop aroma you want to add the hops during the last 10 minutes (or less)
of the boil. Obviously, bigger batches need more hops. Two ounces (57 grams)
at ten minutes should be good.

Good luck!

- --

-Tom

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http://twitter.com/originaltarogue

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Monday, December 5, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5885 (December 05, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5885 Mon 05 December 2011


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Brett (Stephen Neilsen)
Professional Beer Tasting & Styles Class (Siebel Institute)
Hop aroma ("Dunn, Scott C FLNR:EX")


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Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:31:49 +1100
From: Stephen Neilsen <stephen.neilsen at gmail.com>
Subject: Brett

Bottle as normal, Brett, like all yeasts will continue to work until all
available food is eaten...I am not certain if you can get autolysis from
Brett but your primary yeast might do so if left too long.
K

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:36:07 -0800
From: "Dunn, Scott C FLNR:EX" <Scott.Dunn at gov.bc.ca>
Subject: Hop aroma

Hello group:

I have been having trouble getting hop aroma in my brews. I could use a bit
of a refresher or perhaps some advise.

I use a gravity feed counterflow chiller and I think that might be the root
of the issue. I recently went from 23L to 50L.

Will dry hoping help? Is there a special technique for using pellet hops in
a hop back or to dry hop. My last experience with pellet dry hoping was okay
but it turned out to be a gooey mess. The little buggers really expand when
you put them hot water.

Thanks for the help

It is good to be back into brewing again

Scott C. Dunn RPF

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Friday, December 2, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5884 (December 02, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5884 Fri 02 December 2011


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Contents:
Brett question ("Darrell G. Leavitt")
SaniClean (Kevin Brown)


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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:17:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Darrell G. Leavitt" <leavitdg at plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: Brett question

I recently brewed a Belgian Amber Ale, the put some brett into the secondary.

How long should one leave it there before bottling?

Happy Brewing!

Darrell


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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:36:48 -0400
From: Kevin Brown <kbrownvi at gmail.com>
Subject: SaniClean

Jeff,:
I switched from StarSan to SaniClean for the same reason, I pump my
sanitizer through a spray ball to sanitize my 28 gal concial. I use it
at the stated concentration and never post rinsed. I Ihave seen no it
effects for this process. BTW I also pump PBW through the spray ball
to clean fermenter. using this technique I only use about a gallon of
sanitizer or PBW. I got the small poly sprayball from GW Kent.

Cheers,
Kevin

Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:52:58 -0500
From: "Jeff Hewit" <bippoj at gmail.com>
Subject: Sanitizer Question

I have been using StarSan to sanitize my equipment. I have considered
switching to SaniClean since it produces less foam. (I use a pump in part
of my operation.) However, I am not sure about rinsing. Some descriptions
of SaniClean indicate that it must be rinsed, which I would prefer not to
do. Other descriptions refer to it simply as a low foaming alternative to
StarSan. Since StarSan is a no-rinse sanitizer, this would infer that
SaniClean is as well. Does anyone have experience in using SaniClean as a
no-rinse sanitizer?

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Thursday, December 1, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5883 (December 01, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5883 Thu 01 December 2011


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Contents:
Bitterness/Mash pH ("A.J deLange")
Bitter beer (rgriller)
Re: Too bitter ale (Michael Greenberg)


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Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 06:02:36 -0500
From: "A.J deLange" <ajdel at cox.net>
Subject: Bitterness/Mash pH

Bitterness does fade with time but the time required for bitterness to
fade will probably be sufficient time for oxidation to set in. A more
immediate solution would be to dilute the overly bittered beer with one
that is under bittered. You could experiment to find out how much to
dilute with megabrew which is usually at about 14 IBU.

WRT mash pH: It has some influence on the final pH of the beer but the
yeast will do everything they can to pull the pH down into the range 4.3
(or even lower in the case of some ales) to 4.6 (lagers). Of course if
the water is extremely alkaline they won't succeed but then the
fermentation won't proceed properly and you will probably have pretty
bad beer. But then mashing at pH of 6 or higher is going to produce
pretty bad beer as well.

Further to all that the pH of the foods you eat/drink will have some
effect on the pH of the stomach contents but again not that much. Your
stomach secretes hydrochloric acid and the pH of gastric contents is
generally around 2. Drinking a beer at pH 4.2 isn't going to change that
much and certainly isn't going to bring it lower. The problem with
reflux isn't the pH of the gastric contents anyway - it's the reflux.
I'd see a doctor about that. There are several things that can be done
such as not overly filling the stomach especially in the evening,
sleeping with the head elevated...

A.J.

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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:14:59 +0000
From: rgriller at chass.utoronto.ca
Subject: Bitter beer

"I recently brewed an IPA and used magnum hops for the first time.

Unfortunately I under-estimated their strength and the ale is really too

bitter. I would hate to have to pour it down the sink and wondered if the

bitterness will mellow with age. It is presently being stored in the fridge

at 35F."

Not an answer to your question, but you could try serving at traditional
English ale temps (50-54F) as at warmer temps malt perception will be
stronger and the beer should taste somewhat less bitter. Maybe not enough of
a change, but worth a shot, especially as ales (imho) are better served at
those higher temps in any case! :)

Robin

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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:37:02 -0500
From: Michael Greenberg <michael.m.greenberg at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Too bitter ale

Hi Alan,

I can't speak to mash pH---it's not something I spend a lot of
time worrying about. But have you considered blending your hoppy
IPA with something lighter? You could brew a batch with very few
bittering additions and try to find a balance between the two.

Cheers,
Michael

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