HOMEBREW Digest #6088 Mon 21 April 2014
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Contents:
Gruit recipe (Ted Manahan)
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 19:10:53 -0600
From: Ted Manahan <ted_manahan at hotmail.com>
Subject: Gruit recipe
I make a gruit every year or two. The recipe changes every year, here is one
from two years ago:
https://sites.google.com/site/fossilcreekbrewing/home/dark-ages-gruit-ale. It
has a distinct mugwort flavor, which I rather like. Watch out for wormwood -
I used .25 teaspoon in five gallons and I could taste it!
I just made another batch yesterday, using cinnamon bark, yarrow, and
horehound. It tasted good going into the fermenter!
I recommend visiting the Gruit Ale web page for information and ideas about
this historical beer.http://www.gruitale.com/.
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End of HOMEBREW Digest #6088, 04/21/14
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Monday, April 21, 2014
Saturday, April 19, 2014
Homebrew Digest #6087 (April 19, 2014)
HOMEBREW Digest #6087 Sat 19 April 2014
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Gruit Ale (Thomas Rohner)
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:56:30 +0200
From: Thomas Rohner <t.rohner at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Gruit Ale
Hello all
After the brewing software runs again(at least if you have Promash...),
i want to ask you something else.
I wanted to brew a gruit ale for a long time, but i couldn't find the
herbs suggested. (Not available, too expensive or from too far away)
One of the hard to get plant was wild rosemary(ledum palustre). It's
also slightly toxic, but what do you expect in a "whiches brew".
Yesterday i stumbled upon a German company, that sells this plant.
(Shipping to my country is not too expensive)
Then i found another company, that supplies the rest of the suspects.
Myrica gale
Achillea millefolium
Calluna vulgaris
Artemisia vulgaris
Artemisia absinthium
I ordered all of these live plants and will put them in my yard.
Hopefully they will grow nicely.
I found some recipes on the net, but is there someone on the HBD with
gruit experience?
If yes, can you give me some insights? Recipe, no-goes handling of the
herbs and so on?
I will also reread "sacred herbal healing beers" from Steven Buhner.
Cheers
Thomas
(today i will brew 16 gal of Saaz hopped vienna bock at 1.072 OG)
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End of HOMEBREW Digest #6087, 04/19/14
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Contents:
Gruit Ale (Thomas Rohner)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
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Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:56:30 +0200
From: Thomas Rohner <t.rohner at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Gruit Ale
Hello all
After the brewing software runs again(at least if you have Promash...),
i want to ask you something else.
I wanted to brew a gruit ale for a long time, but i couldn't find the
herbs suggested. (Not available, too expensive or from too far away)
One of the hard to get plant was wild rosemary(ledum palustre). It's
also slightly toxic, but what do you expect in a "whiches brew".
Yesterday i stumbled upon a German company, that sells this plant.
(Shipping to my country is not too expensive)
Then i found another company, that supplies the rest of the suspects.
Myrica gale
Achillea millefolium
Calluna vulgaris
Artemisia vulgaris
Artemisia absinthium
I ordered all of these live plants and will put them in my yard.
Hopefully they will grow nicely.
I found some recipes on the net, but is there someone on the HBD with
gruit experience?
If yes, can you give me some insights? Recipe, no-goes handling of the
herbs and so on?
I will also reread "sacred herbal healing beers" from Steven Buhner.
Cheers
Thomas
(today i will brew 16 gal of Saaz hopped vienna bock at 1.072 OG)
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End of HOMEBREW Digest #6087, 04/19/14
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Friday, April 18, 2014
Homebrew Digest #6086 (April 18, 2014)
HOMEBREW Digest #6086 Fri 18 April 2014
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Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Pete Calinski)
Re: Homebrew Digest Request (April 18, 2014) (Pete Calinski)
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Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:47:51 -0400
From: Pete Calinski <pete.calinski at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
PTA Said:
I've found that storing everything on Google Drive - including the .exe and
I'm able to run it from any Windows based computer I sign onto with my goole
account. 1 place for the recipes - works sweet.
I say:
I just got a windows phone.
I gotta try that.
I doubt it will work but.....
If I can ever get the dumb thing set up.
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:35:10 -0400
From: Pete Calinski <pete.calinski at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest Request (April 18, 2014)
PTA Said:
I've found that storing everything on Google Drive - including the .exe and
I'm able to run it from any Windows based computer I sign onto with my goole
account. 1 place for the recipes - works sweet.
I say:
I just got a windows phone.
I gotta try that.
I doubt it will work but.....
If I can ever get the dumb thing set up.
------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #6086, 04/18/14
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Contents:
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Pete Calinski)
Re: Homebrew Digest Request (April 18, 2014) (Pete Calinski)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:47:51 -0400
From: Pete Calinski <pete.calinski at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
PTA Said:
I've found that storing everything on Google Drive - including the .exe and
I'm able to run it from any Windows based computer I sign onto with my goole
account. 1 place for the recipes - works sweet.
I say:
I just got a windows phone.
I gotta try that.
I doubt it will work but.....
If I can ever get the dumb thing set up.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:35:10 -0400
From: Pete Calinski <pete.calinski at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest Request (April 18, 2014)
PTA Said:
I've found that storing everything on Google Drive - including the .exe and
I'm able to run it from any Windows based computer I sign onto with my goole
account. 1 place for the recipes - works sweet.
I say:
I just got a windows phone.
I gotta try that.
I doubt it will work but.....
If I can ever get the dumb thing set up.
------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #6086, 04/18/14
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Thursday, April 17, 2014
Homebrew Digest #6085 (April 17, 2014)
HOMEBREW Digest #6085 Thu 17 April 2014
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Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (PTA)
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Calvin Perilloux)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:25:03 -0500
From: PTA <palerthanale at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
I've found that storing everything on Google Drive - including the
.exe and I'm able to run it
from any Windows based computer I sign onto with my goole account.
1 place for the recipes - works sweet.
PTA
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 20:30:33 -0500
From: Calvin Perilloux <cperilloux at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
Similar to what Pete and Pat do, I run Promash from several computers
at home with a single "central" database. I use Dropbox! The whole
Promash program (and associated data files) is installed in a Dropbox
directory, and I just run it from there. I could even run it from work
without
any more serious security concerns than I'd already have with Dropbox.
(My employer has very serious concerns, so I can't really do that. Not due
to Dropbox's security, just because they do NOT want us linking to any kind
of
location where we can upload mass amounts of sensitive data from the
workplace.)
Calvin Perilloux
Austin, Texas, USA
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End of HOMEBREW Digest #6085, 04/17/14
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can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to (NOTE NEW
ADDRESS):
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***************************************************************
Contents:
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (PTA)
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Calvin Perilloux)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
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*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:25:03 -0500
From: PTA <palerthanale at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
I've found that storing everything on Google Drive - including the
.exe and I'm able to run it
from any Windows based computer I sign onto with my goole account.
1 place for the recipes - works sweet.
PTA
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 20:30:33 -0500
From: Calvin Perilloux <cperilloux at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
Similar to what Pete and Pat do, I run Promash from several computers
at home with a single "central" database. I use Dropbox! The whole
Promash program (and associated data files) is installed in a Dropbox
directory, and I just run it from there. I could even run it from work
without
any more serious security concerns than I'd already have with Dropbox.
(My employer has very serious concerns, so I can't really do that. Not due
to Dropbox's security, just because they do NOT want us linking to any kind
of
location where we can upload mass amounts of sensitive data from the
workplace.)
Calvin Perilloux
Austin, Texas, USA
------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #6085, 04/17/14
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Wednesday, April 16, 2014
Homebrew Digest #6084 (April 16, 2014)
HOMEBREW Digest #6084 Wed 16 April 2014
FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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***************************************************************
Contents:
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Pete Calinski)
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Patrick Babcock)
Re: Brewing software and Windows compatibility (asemok)
Back-sweetening a mead (Jim Stansell)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
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Financial Projection as of 17 February 2014
*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:30:41 -0400
From: Pete Calinski <pete.calinski at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
I'm running ProMash on my Win 8.0 tabled computer. No problems, no XP
emulators.
I found an interesting way to use it with multiple computers and just one
database.
I have an XP desktop computer where I keep my recipes and inventory of
grain, hops, etc. When I brew I brew in the garage and take a portable
computer out there with me. I used to use a Win 98 laptop, then an XP
notebook, and now a Win 8 tablet. I found I could run ProMash on any of
these computers and access the desktop data using a few simple steps.
(1) Set up network and sharing properly so each computer can access the data
files and program files on the desktop. In my case the databases are in My
Documents and ProMash is installed in Program Files.
(2) Install ProMash on all computers. I hope this doesn't violate some
terms of use for ProMash. I am the only user and only for my home brewing
and I use it on only one computer at a time.
(3) Using the "portable" computer go to the copy of ProMash on the desktop
(C:\Program Files\ProMash\) and click on ProMash.exe.
ProMash will open and run just like it was on the desktop with all the
recipes and inventory files. I guess by installing ProMash on the portable
computer I get all the dll and other environment files I need to run ProMash
and by running the version on the desktop, it knows where all the files are.
So while I am brewing I can check and update my inventory, view my recipe,
and what ever else using just one central set of data.
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:56:19 -0400
From: Patrick Babcock <patrick.babcock at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...
I will echo Pete's comments. Runs like a top on all my Windows boxes -
ProMash doesn't appear to wrangle the registry at all. I'm pretty sure it
keeps all of its presets and preferences in static files within its folder
As opposed to Pete, I keep my database on an NAS drive, and can access it
from anywhere in my home. As an experiment, I did have it outward facing at
one time, which let me access it from anywhere I could get a WiFi or 4G
signal, but it quickly became a "hacker's honey pot", so I put it back
behind the firewall.
Cheers!
-
- --
Pat Babcock in SEMI
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:04:00 -0400
From: asemok at mac.com
Subject: Re: Brewing software and Windows compatibility
On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:03 AM, Bill Pierce wrote:
> Incidentally, a virtual XP machine is the solution for all software that
truly requires XP.
That's efinitely the _ideal_ (and quite simple) solution.
I've been running ProMash on a Macintosh under OS X...and I don't even have
_any_ version of Windows installed on the computer.
Therefore, one of the many VM solutions out there will most certainly be
able to run it perfectly on a PC running Windows OS.
cheers,
AL
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 17:46:01 -0400
From: Jim Stansell <jim.stansell at comcast.net>
Subject: Back-sweetening a mead
I've got a mead fermenting that started at 1.121 and is now down to
1.006 (1.023 corrected). Since it's still fermenting it might finish
a little dry, so I thought once it stabilized I'd back-sweeten it
with some honey, but of course I don't want to restart fermentation.
What's the best way to kill off any remaining yeast? Potassium
Sorbate? Potassium Metabisulfite?
What's the best thing to use and how much should I add to a five gallon batch?
Thanks!
------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #6084, 04/16/14
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FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************
Contents:
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Pete Calinski)
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Patrick Babcock)
Re: Brewing software and Windows compatibility (asemok)
Back-sweetening a mead (Jim Stansell)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a 501(c)3 Public Charity
[170(b)(1)(A)(vi)] All donations & gifts to the HBD are
tax deductible under section 170 of the Internal Revenue
Code; as are bequests, devises, transfer, or gifts under
section 2055, 2106, or 2522 of the Code.
Financial Projection as of 17 February 2014
*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you.
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Spencer Thomas, and Bill Pierce
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:30:41 -0400
From: Pete Calinski <pete.calinski at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
I'm running ProMash on my Win 8.0 tabled computer. No problems, no XP
emulators.
I found an interesting way to use it with multiple computers and just one
database.
I have an XP desktop computer where I keep my recipes and inventory of
grain, hops, etc. When I brew I brew in the garage and take a portable
computer out there with me. I used to use a Win 98 laptop, then an XP
notebook, and now a Win 8 tablet. I found I could run ProMash on any of
these computers and access the desktop data using a few simple steps.
(1) Set up network and sharing properly so each computer can access the data
files and program files on the desktop. In my case the databases are in My
Documents and ProMash is installed in Program Files.
(2) Install ProMash on all computers. I hope this doesn't violate some
terms of use for ProMash. I am the only user and only for my home brewing
and I use it on only one computer at a time.
(3) Using the "portable" computer go to the copy of ProMash on the desktop
(C:\Program Files\ProMash\) and click on ProMash.exe.
ProMash will open and run just like it was on the desktop with all the
recipes and inventory files. I guess by installing ProMash on the portable
computer I get all the dll and other environment files I need to run ProMash
and by running the version on the desktop, it knows where all the files are.
So while I am brewing I can check and update my inventory, view my recipe,
and what ever else using just one central set of data.
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:56:19 -0400
From: Patrick Babcock <patrick.babcock at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...
I will echo Pete's comments. Runs like a top on all my Windows boxes -
ProMash doesn't appear to wrangle the registry at all. I'm pretty sure it
keeps all of its presets and preferences in static files within its folder
As opposed to Pete, I keep my database on an NAS drive, and can access it
from anywhere in my home. As an experiment, I did have it outward facing at
one time, which let me access it from anywhere I could get a WiFi or 4G
signal, but it quickly became a "hacker's honey pot", so I put it back
behind the firewall.
Cheers!
-
- --
Pat Babcock in SEMI
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:04:00 -0400
From: asemok at mac.com
Subject: Re: Brewing software and Windows compatibility
On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:03 AM, Bill Pierce wrote:
> Incidentally, a virtual XP machine is the solution for all software that
truly requires XP.
That's efinitely the _ideal_ (and quite simple) solution.
I've been running ProMash on a Macintosh under OS X...and I don't even have
_any_ version of Windows installed on the computer.
Therefore, one of the many VM solutions out there will most certainly be
able to run it perfectly on a PC running Windows OS.
cheers,
AL
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 17:46:01 -0400
From: Jim Stansell <jim.stansell at comcast.net>
Subject: Back-sweetening a mead
I've got a mead fermenting that started at 1.121 and is now down to
1.006 (1.023 corrected). Since it's still fermenting it might finish
a little dry, so I thought once it stabilized I'd back-sweeten it
with some honey, but of course I don't want to restart fermentation.
What's the best way to kill off any remaining yeast? Potassium
Sorbate? Potassium Metabisulfite?
What's the best thing to use and how much should I add to a five gallon batch?
Thanks!
------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #6084, 04/16/14
*************************************
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Tuesday, April 15, 2014
Homebrew Digest #6083 (April 15, 2014)
HOMEBREW Digest #6083 Tue 15 April 2014
FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org
***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:
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Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********
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FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to (NOTE NEW
ADDRESS):
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or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************
Contents:
Old Software (Thomas Rohner)
Brewing software and Windows compatibility ("Bill Pierce")
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Scott Alfter)
re:Software problems (Brian Myers)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a 501(c)3 Public Charity
[170(b)(1)(A)(vi)] All donations & gifts to the HBD are
tax deductible under section 170 of the Internal Revenue
Code; as are bequests, devises, transfer, or gifts under
section 2055, 2106, or 2522 of the Code.
Financial Projection as of 17 February 2014
*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you.
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Spencer Thomas, and Bill Pierce
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:07:38 +0200
From: Thomas Rohner <t.rohner at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Old Software
Hi
Have you tried the virtual XP, that comes with Win7 Pro and higher?
Sadly, it doesn't come with the home version.
I guess, most old software will run on it. (if it doesn't make use of
the hardware extensively, or uses strange programmers tricks)
By the way, i also got a "new"(used Dell, like new for 300$) notebook
with Win7 64 Pro.
I will try to install Promash, my preferred brewing tool. If it doesn't
work in native Win7, i will use virtual XP. (In the brewery, it runs
happily on Win98 for now. No need to change, until this HW dies... i use
a old 256Mb USB-stick with Win98 drivers for backup)
Cheers Thomas
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:31:12 -0400
From: "Bill Pierce" <BillPierce at aol.com>
Subject: Brewing software and Windows compatibility
Ian Ramsay asks about old brewing software and Windows compatibility. I'm
still a committed ProMash user and have successfully run it with every
version of Windows from Windows 95 to 64-bit Windows 8.1. There was a
problem with ProMash not loading with 64-bit versions, but this was
addressed about 2007-2008 with a "new" version of the ProMash installer.
It's still available for downloading on the ProMash website. You, will,
however, have to enter your registered user code and key. If you no longer
have them, there is an automated utility on the site to send them to you,
but it uses the e-mail address you first used to register ProMash.
I don't use much other old brewing software apart from some spreadsheet
utilities, so I must say I haven't had compatibility problems. If you do
have an old piece of software you're attached to, and you are certain it
really requires Windows XP, the solution is to download and install a
"virtual XP machine" and run it under later Windows versions. A virtual XP
machine (it needs to be installed) came with the Professional and Ultimate
versions of Windows 7, but this was discontinued beginning with Windows 8.
However, there are a couple of free virtual machines available if you do a
search for them.
Incidentally, a virtual XP machine is the solution for all software that
truly requires XP. If you are concerned about the security implications now
that Microsoft no longer supports XP, running a VM is an excellent choice.
It keeps XP isolated from various security threats by "surrounding" it with
Windows 7 or 8.
Brew on!
Bill Pierce
Cellar Door Homebrewery
Burlington, Ontario
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:50:48 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 at 09:27:27 -0600, Mike Schwartz wrote:
> Promash was the go-to software for many years but unfortunately is no
> longer being actively updated and who knows how long it will still
> function. When you look at the web site there are "news items" from
> 2003 when he released the last update.
I'd expect it to keep running indefinitely. I run it on Linux under Wine;
while early versions of Wine had some layout issues, those have been fixed for
several years now. I have the program and all my recipe and brew-session files
checked into my Subversion repository, so pulling it onto a new computer (even
one that still runs Windows) is trivial.
Another option, if Microsoft does something with future versions of Windows
that breaks ProMash, would be to set up a VM with a version of Windows that
will work (or do like me and use Linux and Wine in the VM). This VM would be
portable across whatever OS and hardware upgrades may come.
About the only issue I foresee becoming a problem would be if the BJCP styles
changed substantially. AFAIK the last such change was in 2008; an update to
ProMash was made available at the time. If a similar update isn't forthcoming
the next time around, I'm not sure how big an effort it would be to roll your
own update.
Scott Alfter
scott at alfter.us
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:35:22 +1200
From: Brian Myers <brian.d.myers at gmail.com>
Subject: re:Software problems
Hi Ian, long time no see.
Google "xp virtual machine", or look here :
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-
in-windows-7
Win7 can run a virtual Windows XP machine as a program, and old XP software
will usually run fine inside that shell.
regards,
Brian
------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #6083, 04/15/14
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FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to (NOTE NEW
ADDRESS):
HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871054
Canton, MI 48187-6054
or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************
Contents:
Old Software (Thomas Rohner)
Brewing software and Windows compatibility ("Bill Pierce")
Re: Homebrew Recipe Software (Scott Alfter)
re:Software problems (Brian Myers)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a 501(c)3 Public Charity
[170(b)(1)(A)(vi)] All donations & gifts to the HBD are
tax deductible under section 170 of the Internal Revenue
Code; as are bequests, devises, transfer, or gifts under
section 2055, 2106, or 2522 of the Code.
Financial Projection as of 17 February 2014
*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:07:38 +0200
From: Thomas Rohner <t.rohner at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Old Software
Hi
Have you tried the virtual XP, that comes with Win7 Pro and higher?
Sadly, it doesn't come with the home version.
I guess, most old software will run on it. (if it doesn't make use of
the hardware extensively, or uses strange programmers tricks)
By the way, i also got a "new"(used Dell, like new for 300$) notebook
with Win7 64 Pro.
I will try to install Promash, my preferred brewing tool. If it doesn't
work in native Win7, i will use virtual XP. (In the brewery, it runs
happily on Win98 for now. No need to change, until this HW dies... i use
a old 256Mb USB-stick with Win98 drivers for backup)
Cheers Thomas
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:31:12 -0400
From: "Bill Pierce" <BillPierce at aol.com>
Subject: Brewing software and Windows compatibility
Ian Ramsay asks about old brewing software and Windows compatibility. I'm
still a committed ProMash user and have successfully run it with every
version of Windows from Windows 95 to 64-bit Windows 8.1. There was a
problem with ProMash not loading with 64-bit versions, but this was
addressed about 2007-2008 with a "new" version of the ProMash installer.
It's still available for downloading on the ProMash website. You, will,
however, have to enter your registered user code and key. If you no longer
have them, there is an automated utility on the site to send them to you,
but it uses the e-mail address you first used to register ProMash.
I don't use much other old brewing software apart from some spreadsheet
utilities, so I must say I haven't had compatibility problems. If you do
have an old piece of software you're attached to, and you are certain it
really requires Windows XP, the solution is to download and install a
"virtual XP machine" and run it under later Windows versions. A virtual XP
machine (it needs to be installed) came with the Professional and Ultimate
versions of Windows 7, but this was discontinued beginning with Windows 8.
However, there are a couple of free virtual machines available if you do a
search for them.
Incidentally, a virtual XP machine is the solution for all software that
truly requires XP. If you are concerned about the security implications now
that Microsoft no longer supports XP, running a VM is an excellent choice.
It keeps XP isolated from various security threats by "surrounding" it with
Windows 7 or 8.
Brew on!
Bill Pierce
Cellar Door Homebrewery
Burlington, Ontario
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:50:48 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Recipe Software
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 at 09:27:27 -0600, Mike Schwartz wrote:
> Promash was the go-to software for many years but unfortunately is no
> longer being actively updated and who knows how long it will still
> function. When you look at the web site there are "news items" from
> 2003 when he released the last update.
I'd expect it to keep running indefinitely. I run it on Linux under Wine;
while early versions of Wine had some layout issues, those have been fixed for
several years now. I have the program and all my recipe and brew-session files
checked into my Subversion repository, so pulling it onto a new computer (even
one that still runs Windows) is trivial.
Another option, if Microsoft does something with future versions of Windows
that breaks ProMash, would be to set up a VM with a version of Windows that
will work (or do like me and use Linux and Wine in the VM). This VM would be
portable across whatever OS and hardware upgrades may come.
About the only issue I foresee becoming a problem would be if the BJCP styles
changed substantially. AFAIK the last such change was in 2008; an update to
ProMash was made available at the time. If a similar update isn't forthcoming
the next time around, I'm not sure how big an effort it would be to roll your
own update.
Scott Alfter
scott at alfter.us
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:35:22 +1200
From: Brian Myers <brian.d.myers at gmail.com>
Subject: re:Software problems
Hi Ian, long time no see.
Google "xp virtual machine", or look here :
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-
in-windows-7
Win7 can run a virtual Windows XP machine as a program, and old XP software
will usually run fine inside that shell.
regards,
Brian
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End of HOMEBREW Digest #6083, 04/15/14
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Monday, April 14, 2014
Homebrew Digest #6082 (April 14, 2014)
HOMEBREW Digest #6082 Mon 14 April 2014
FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org
***************************************************************
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***************************************************************
Contents:
Software Problems (Ian & Jean Ramsay)
Brewing Software Will not run (Ian & Jean Ramsay)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a 501(c)3 Public Charity
[170(b)(1)(A)(vi)] All donations & gifts to the HBD are
tax deductible under section 170 of the Internal Revenue
Code; as are bequests, devises, transfer, or gifts under
section 2055, 2106, or 2522 of the Code.
Financial Projection as of 17 February 2014
*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
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and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you.
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:57:00 +1200
From: Ian & Jean Ramsay <ian.ramsay at clear.net.nz>
Subject: Software Problems
Hello Everyone
Yesterday I migrated from XP to windows 7 64 bit. Sadly all my old brewing
software that ran quite happily on
XP 32 bit will no longer will run. I have tried running them in win 95
compatibility mode but that does not work.
I use the latest version of Beer Smith but would love to use all this old
software.
Anyone got any thoughts?
Thanks Ian
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:40:26 +1200
From: Ian & Jean Ramsay <ian.ramsay at clear.net.nz>
Subject: Brewing Software Will not run
Hello Everyone
Yesterday I migrated from XP to windows 7 64 bit. Sadly all my old brewing
software that ran quite happily on
XP 32 bit will no longer will run. I have tried running them in
compatibility mode but that does not work.
I use the latest version of Beer Smith but would love to use all this old
software.
Anyone got any thoughts?
I tried to send this yesterday, but forgot about sending in plain text so it
bounced.
The Digest has been so quiet, where is everyone. We have a wonderful
resource here can't believe there is not traffic.
Many years ago I downloaded Brewers Workshop and loved it from day one.
Tried to register the software but no response from emails. If you read this
Tom thanks for your software, wish I had the key to open the full version.
Ian Ramsay
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FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org
***************************************************************
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Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********
DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to (NOTE NEW
ADDRESS):
HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871054
Canton, MI 48187-6054
or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************
Contents:
Software Problems (Ian & Jean Ramsay)
Brewing Software Will not run (Ian & Jean Ramsay)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a 501(c)3 Public Charity
[170(b)(1)(A)(vi)] All donations & gifts to the HBD are
tax deductible under section 170 of the Internal Revenue
Code; as are bequests, devises, transfer, or gifts under
section 2055, 2106, or 2522 of the Code.
Financial Projection as of 17 February 2014
*** Condition: Concerned, but somewhat optimistic ***
Projected 2013 Budget $3,235.00
Expended against projection $ 576.16
Unplanned expenditures ($ 95.77)
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($877.26)
HBD, Inc. is projected to be bankrupt September 2014
As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you.
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Spencer Thomas, and Bill Pierce
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:57:00 +1200
From: Ian & Jean Ramsay <ian.ramsay at clear.net.nz>
Subject: Software Problems
Hello Everyone
Yesterday I migrated from XP to windows 7 64 bit. Sadly all my old brewing
software that ran quite happily on
XP 32 bit will no longer will run. I have tried running them in win 95
compatibility mode but that does not work.
I use the latest version of Beer Smith but would love to use all this old
software.
Anyone got any thoughts?
Thanks Ian
- ---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
protection is active.
http://www.avast.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 14:40:26 +1200
From: Ian & Jean Ramsay <ian.ramsay at clear.net.nz>
Subject: Brewing Software Will not run
Hello Everyone
Yesterday I migrated from XP to windows 7 64 bit. Sadly all my old brewing
software that ran quite happily on
XP 32 bit will no longer will run. I have tried running them in
compatibility mode but that does not work.
I use the latest version of Beer Smith but would love to use all this old
software.
Anyone got any thoughts?
I tried to send this yesterday, but forgot about sending in plain text so it
bounced.
The Digest has been so quiet, where is everyone. We have a wonderful
resource here can't believe there is not traffic.
Many years ago I downloaded Brewers Workshop and loved it from day one.
Tried to register the software but no response from emails. If you read this
Tom thanks for your software, wish I had the key to open the full version.
Ian Ramsay
- ---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus
protection is active.
http://www.avast.com
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