Monday, December 14, 2009

Homebrew Digest #5636 (December 14, 2009)

HOMEBREW Digest #5636 Mon 14 December 2009


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Sponsor The Home Brew Digest!
Visit http://www.hbd.org/sponsorhbd.shtml to learn how

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to:

HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871309
Canton Township, MI 48187-6309

or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
E-Lot Prize Award Winner of $2,500,000.00!!! (E-LOT PROMO)
Re: Converting refrigerator with bottom freezer to fermentation chamber (Calvin Perilloux)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* The HBD Logo Store is now open! *
* http://www.hbd.org/store.html *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3400
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. THank you


Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright
HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK
before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content
cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
and Spencer Thomas


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:02:34 -0500
From: E-LOT PROMO <7788988250 at fido.ca>
Subject: E-Lot Prize Award Winner of $2,500,000.00!!!

- --
Attn: Dear Internet User,

We are pleased to notify you the "Winner" of our last Secured Mega
Jackpot Online Sweepstakes result. This is a reward program for the
patronage of internet services and all email addresses entered for
this promotional
draws were randomly selected from an internet resource database of
registered software and domain users.

Reference Number: AU 73 ES 2009
e-ticket number: 76545556452 009
Category: A
Amount: $2,500,000.00 (Two Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars)

You are required to establish contact with your claims agent via
e-mail with the particulars presented below:

CLAIMS AGENT
Name: Mr.Damien Lewis
Tel:+31 626 006 051
Email:dalewis2009 at yahoo.cn

In line with the governing rules of claim, you are requested to
furnish Mr.Damien With the following information:

1. Full name... 2. Address.... 3. Occupation... 4. Tel/Fax.... 5.
Cell/Mobile.... 6. Age... 7.. Winning Ref Number...........

Congratulations!!!

Elvis Wallace
Promotions Co-ordinator

NOTE: This is an Automated Message; do not respond. You should contact the
assigned claims agent immediately to process the remittance of the prize
sum to you.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:39:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Calvin Perilloux <calvinperilloux at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Converting refrigerator with bottom freezer to fermentation chamber

Using a frost-free, bottom-freezer unit shouldn't be any
problem at all. Addressing your points:

>> 1. Being frost-free, i.e., self defrosting, I believe
>> it cycles through a warming period every several hours.
>> That is not desirable for a fermentation chamber.

The most common refrigerator that homebrewers use is
a frost-free unit, albeit one with the freezer on the
top of it. The principle is the same, though. The coil-
heating cycle (15 to 30 minutes) should not be long
enough to cause a temperature problem: Firstly, the
fan won't be blowing heated air into the fridge while
the defrost heater does its job; secondly, the huge
thermal mass in 5 gallons of wort will overshadow any
slight temperature rise as the compressor is off.

>> 2. I'm guessing that there may be a significant
>> temperature differential between the top and the
>> bottom of the refrigerated compartment.

In a forced air system this is not so much of a problem.
In a convection system with no fan, it can be. But the
thing that matters is the temperature of your beer, and
natural convection from the fermentation should even
that out inside the fermenter, which is where it counts.
Again, homebrewers have not reported problems like this.
If you are really worried, perhaps you can use a thermowell
and put the temperature probe in there, so you actually
measure the beer temperature, which is anyway a more
precise method than measuring air temperature outside
of the fermenter.

>> 3. The freezer on the bottom may not be useful for
>> much of anything [...]

Generally not. I suspect that it *might* be good for
storing non-thaw-sensitive things like hops, when you
are holding lager temperatures in the refrigerator, but
not ale temps, and certainly not if the outside ambient
temperature is anywhere close to your target fermentation
temperature (in which case the compressor will rarely run).
Even if you read freezing temperatures, you should perhaps
check this by putting some ice cubes in a bowl in the
freezer, and if they melt then that indicates that it might
be freezing sometimes but not always.

For what it's worth, I've used top-freezer refrigerators
as well as dedicated fridge-only units and converted
frost-free freezers for my fermentations. All worked fine.
As for bottom-freezer units, I'd love to run an experiment
for you, but there is zero chance that SWMBO will let me
do any such thing with the one in our kiitchen! I think
my above comments are on target, though.

Calvin Perilloux
Middletown, Maryland, USA


------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5636, 12/14/09
*************************************
-------

Sunday, December 13, 2009

Homebrew Digest #5635 (December 13, 2009)

HOMEBREW Digest #5635 Sun 13 December 2009


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Sponsor The Home Brew Digest!
Visit http://www.hbd.org/sponsorhbd.shtml to learn how

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to:

HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871309
Canton Township, MI 48187-6309

or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
Converting refrigerator with bottom freezer to fermentation chamber (Fred L Johnson)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* The HBD Logo Store is now open! *
* http://www.hbd.org/store.html *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3400
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. THank you


Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright
HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK
before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content
cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
and Spencer Thomas


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:46:52 -0500
From: Fred L Johnson <FLJohnson52 at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Converting refrigerator with bottom freezer to fermentation chamber

I have a frost-free refrigerator (freezer on bottom) that I would like to use
as a fermentation chamber with carboy fermentor and external
temperature controller. I've had some difficulty finding on the net
descriptions of how well such units have worked for others. There seem
to be at least a couple of less-than-desirable features of this type of
refrigerator.

1. Being frost-free, i.e., self defrosting, I believe it cycles through a
warming period every several hours. That is not desirable for a
fermentation chamber.

2. I'm guessing that there may be a significant temperature differential
between the top and the bottom of the refrigerated compartment.

3. The freezer on the bottom may not be useful for much of anything
while the unit is being used to control fermentation temperature in the
top compartment. I have no idea how warm it will get when the
refrigerated compartment will be being controlled by an external controller.

Can anyone point me to some help on this or provide advice?

Fred L Johnson
Apex, North Carolina, USA

------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5635, 12/13/09
*************************************
-------

Monday, December 7, 2009

Homebrew Digest #5634 (December 07, 2009)

HOMEBREW Digest #5634 Mon 07 December 2009


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Sponsor The Home Brew Digest!
Visit http://www.hbd.org/sponsorhbd.shtml to learn how

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to:

HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871309
Canton Township, MI 48187-6309

or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
HSA ("A. J. deLange")
PSBO 11 Results ("H. Dowda")
AHA Club Only Strong Belgians results! (HamFon\)" <nelson@buildabeer.org>
Walk The Line On Barleywine - Results! (HamFon\)" <nelson@buildabeer.org>


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* The HBD Logo Store is now open! *
* http://www.hbd.org/store.html *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3400
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. THank you


Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright
HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK
before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content
cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
and Spencer Thomas


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:40:13 -0500
From: "A. J. deLange" <ajdel at cox.net>
Subject: HSA

Those interested in HSA should listen to the interview with Charlie
Bamforth at http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/475. For those
unfamiliar with the gentleman he is the head of food sciences at UCD,
editor of the JASB, author and/or editor of several books on brewing
(including 2 new ones) etc. (with the etc. pretty extensive). His
position seems to be that HSA is somewhat like global warming: everyone
worries about it but the evidence doesn't seem to support its existence.
I chose this comparison intentionally. The issue is a controversial one!

A. .J.


------------------------------

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:00:01 -0800 (PST)
From: "H. Dowda" <hdowda at yahoo.com>
Subject: PSBO 11 Results

The results from PSBO 11 are posted.

www.sagecat.com/psbo11.htm

We had 349 entries from 18 states.



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:12:11 -0500
From: "Nelson \(HamFon\)" <nelson at buildabeer.org>
Subject: AHA Club Only Strong Belgians results!

On December 5, we assembled a high powered group of judges including two
BJCP Masters, several BJCP Nationals, and several Certified and Recognized,
to judge the American Homebrewers Associatino Club Only Competition for
Strong Belgian Ales (BJCP style 18). We had 61 entries, with some excellent
beers from 32 states (NY and OH both had the highest number of entries by
state) around the country and from Canada. Thanks very much to all the
judges who showed up to help with the judging!

Thanks to all of the entrants too - some great beers! Here are the winners:
1st Place (and Best Of Show) - Scott Prive from Brew Free or Die in
Londonderry, NH with a "Triple", Belgian Tripel
2nd Place - Brett Begani from PDX Brewers in Beaverton, OR with "Dubbel
Time", a Belgian Dubbel
3rd Place - Evan Williams from Charlottesville Area Masters of Real Ale
(CAMRA) with "Duvus", a Belgian Golden Strong
Congratulations!

I also want to thank Tony at Oldsmar Taphouse (www.OldsmarTaphouse.com) in
Oldsmar, FL for providing his taphouse all day for our judging - and for
providing the catered judge lunch, and also for taking such good care of us!

This competition was hosted by Dunedin Brewers Guild of Dunedin, FL, and all
results are posted on our website at www.DunedinBrewersGuild.com.

Thanks again to all participants!

Nelson Crowle
Competition Coordinator
Nelson at BuildABeer.org


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:18:16 -0500
From: "Nelson \(HamFon\)" <nelson at buildabeer.org>
Subject: Walk The Line On Barleywine - Results!

On December 5, we assembled a high powered group of judges including two
BJCP Masters, several BJCP Nationals, and several Certified and Recognized,
to judge the 8th Annual Walk The Line On Barleywine. We had 34 entries,
with some excellent beers. Thanks very much to all the judges who showed up
to help with the judging!

Thanks to all of the entrants too - some great beers! Here are the winners:
Best Of Show - Aaron Boerup from Tucson HomeBrew Club in Tucson, AZ, with
"Hopinator", an Imperial IPA
2nd Place BOS - Michael Cohen from Tampa Bay BEERS in Tampa, FL, with "Mikes
Mighty Ultimator", a Doppelbock
3rd Place BOS - Barry Cafarelli from Hogtown Brewers in Gainsville, FL, with
an English Barleywine
Congratulations!

I also want to thank Tony at Oldsmar Taphouse (www.OldsmarTaphouse.com) in
Oldsmar, FL for providing his taphouse all day for our judging - and for
providing the catered judge lunch, and also for taking such good care of us!

This competition was hosted by Dunedin Brewers Guild of Dunedin, FL, and all
results are posted on our website at www.DunedinBrewersGuild.com.

Thanks again to all participants!

Nelson Crowle
Competition Coordinator
Nelson at BuildABeer.org


------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5634, 12/07/09
*************************************
-------

Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Homebrew Digest #5633 (December 01, 2009)

HOMEBREW Digest #5633 Tue 01 December 2009


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Sponsor The Home Brew Digest!
Visit http://www.hbd.org/sponsorhbd.shtml to learn how

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to:

HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871309
Canton Township, MI 48187-6309

or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
Re: RE: pre-boil oxidation ("David Houseman")
pre-boil oxidation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* The HBD Logo Store is now open! *
* http://www.hbd.org/store.html *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3400
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. THank you


Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright
HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK
before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content
cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
and Spencer Thomas


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:58:46 -0500
From: "David Houseman" <david.houseman at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RE: pre-boil oxidation

Oxidation is perceived in beer in a number of forms. Yes there is a wet
cardboard aroma/flavor, but in my experience this is more likely due to post
fermentation oxidation as is some of aged, sherry-like notes from oxidized
alcohols. I believe that hot side aeration (oxidation) may show itself as
reduced shelf-life with either a sherry-like note or more commonly a
dullness and caramel-like character; lack of crispness. Even coconut notes
in darker beers are signs of oxidation. As Bill Rowan says, I'm sure that
there are more qualified chemists than me to provide the details.

David Houseman

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:39:37 +1100
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: pre-boil oxidation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Upon further reflection regarding pre-boil oxidation, I think
the term Hot Side Aeration or HSA is a bit of a misnomer.

I'm not aware of anyone who actually aerates their mash or
deliberately attempts to add surface air to any part of their
grist before boil. However I'm not saying that it cannot
occur...

I suspect oxidation is virtually unavoidable unless you
brew in a vacuum because any part of the grist or mash
or boil will inevitably have contact with oxygen which,
of course, causes oxidation over time.

I've noticed this difference between the kegged versus
bottled beer of the same batch, over time. The bottled beer
always tends to taste fresher, longer than it's kegged
counterpart. Mind you, the kegged stuff rarely gets
stale at my house!!

Cheers,
Rowan
- ----------------------------------------------------
If you have received this transmission in error please
notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all
copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent
to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver
of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect
of information in the e-mail or attachments.

------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5633, 12/01/09
*************************************
-------

Monday, November 30, 2009

Homebrew Digest #5632 (November 30, 2009)

HOMEBREW Digest #5632 Mon 30 November 2009


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Sponsor The Home Brew Digest!
Visit http://www.hbd.org/sponsorhbd.shtml to learn how

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to:

HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871309
Canton Township, MI 48187-6309

or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
RE: pre-boil oxidation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")
RE: decoctions [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* The HBD Logo Store is now open! *
* http://www.hbd.org/store.html *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3400
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. THank you


Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright
HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK
before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content
cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
and Spencer Thomas


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:27:34 +1100
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: RE: pre-boil oxidation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Darrell, in HBD 5631 enquired about pre-boil oxidation...

I will leave it to others far better qualified than I to discuss
the chemical reactions involved, but my understanding is
that vigorous stirring and other such activities that disrupt
the mash surface may result in oxidation of compounds in
the mash that may promote earlier than anticipated stale
flavour notes.

It is commonly described as a wet cardboard flavour profile.

I dimly recall earlier discussions involving the interaction
between surface air and phenolics in the wort?

I understand HSA is mentioned in the context of handling
hot wort whereas pre-boil oxidation is a term that can
generally apply to both the mash and the wort derived prior
to the boil step commencing.

There are plenty of references to oxidation throughout the
archive....

Cheers,
Rowan
- ----------------------------------------------------
If you have received this transmission in error please
notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all
copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent
to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver
of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect
of information in the e-mail or attachments.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:00:22 +1100
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: RE: decoctions [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Thanks to all those who kindly provided me with a lot of very
useful information on performing decoctions as part of the
quest to make authentic pilsners....

However it would be remiss of me not to share a very
useful data point that is often glossed over or indeed
overlooked, in many of the articles on decoction mashing
that I've read of late.

Decoction mashing is not just about heating up a portion of
the mash as quick as possible to boiling point and then tossing
it back into the main mash....it's about knowing what goes on
at each step and accounting for those complex interactions.

This is especially relevant if you decoct a proportion of the
mash that has not yet reached saccharification temps.

I understand that enzymatic conversion of starches happens
over a relatively broad temperature range, but we often refer
to fairly well defined optimal temperature bands for starch
conversion using alpha and beta amylase enzymes. The
point here is that if you are decocting in order to bring the
mash up from an acid or protein or glucan rest, you should
ensure that the pulled mash that you're about to boil has
had an opportunity to rest at saccharification temps before
you boil that quantity of mash and thus denature the
enzymes in the pulled decoction.

In more practical terms, I want to raise my Czech pils mash
from a protein rest to a saccharification rest via decoction.
So, I will pull around a third of the mash, heat it in a pot on
the stove to achieve saccharification rest temps (approx
68C) in this instance, let it rest at that temp for around 20
mins and then heat it to a boil for a further 20 mins to
encourage the flavour positive attributes through
caramelization etc, before gently returning the decoction
to the main mash so as to bring the whole mash up to
saccharification rest temperature.
It goes without saying that the main mash has been
covered during this process and continued to sit at
protein rest temps during the decoction.

I suppose we have plenty of margin for error and one
could argue that you don't have to rest the decoction as
I've suggested since there are plenty of enzymes in the
main mash that will deal with the unconverted starches
if I simply brought the decoction straight to the boil, but I
figured that if I'm going to spend a long time mashing
and decocting the mash, an extra 20 or so minutes
letting the decoction rest at saccarification temps is not
a big deal in the greater scheme of things!

Sorry about the lengthy post and apologies for effectively
teaching the more learned brewers how to "suck eggs" but
it was something of an epiphany to me, and yet another
example of how this craft has never ceased to amaze me
since 1995!

Cheers,
Rowan
Canberra Brewers Club, Australia

[9588.6, 261.5] AR (statute miles)
- ----------------------------------------------------
If you have received this transmission in error please
notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all
copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent
to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver
of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect
of information in the e-mail or attachments.

------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5632, 11/30/09
*************************************
-------

Friday, November 27, 2009

Homebrew Digest #5631 (November 27, 2009)

HOMEBREW Digest #5631 Fri 27 November 2009


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Sponsor The Home Brew Digest!
Visit http://www.hbd.org/sponsorhbd.shtml to learn how

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to:

HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871309
Canton Township, MI 48187-6309

or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
Pilsners and decoction [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")
("Paul Wilson Loaner")
pre-boil oxidation ("Darrell G. Leavitt")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* The HBD Logo Store is now open! *
* http://www.hbd.org/store.html *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3400
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. THank you


Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright
HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK
before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content
cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
and Spencer Thomas


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:49:55 +1100
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: Pilsners and decoction [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi Doak,

Thanks for the comments. I must confess that I don't have
much experience when it comes to decoctions. I was mashing
a batch about a year ago and found that I had fallen short of
my target mash temp so I pulled some of the mash, put it in a
pot, heated to a gentle simmer and mixed it back into the
mash and it worked a treat! Decoctions are useful compared
to adding more boiling water and diluting the mash in my
10 Gal Rubbermaid mashtun.

I also noted that the decoction encouraged a darkening of the mash,
presumably due to malliard reactions in the pot.

So, you seem to be suggesting a two step docoction - one from the protein rest
to the low end of the saccharification rest (beta amylase) and then a second
decoction to encourage the alpha amylase? I suppose practice will make
perfect, but is there any rule of thumb that will help achieve close to target
temps given that I'll probably mash around 4.5 kg or 10lbs of grist in about
10L / 2.6 US Gallons of strike water? Is a 25% pull in the zone if I want to
bring the mash up from the protein rest to a beta amylase temp range?

I figured that the first decoction will need a bigger pull to achieve the
beta rest temp compared to the relatively smaller step up to the alpha
rest temp and I don't want to totally denature all the enzymes in the
mash at the same time?!

Cheers,
Rowan


- ----------------------------------------------------
If you have received this transmission in error please
notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all
copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent
to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver
of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect
of information in the e-mail or attachments.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:56:55 +0300 (EAT)
From: "Paul Wilson Loaner" <info at uk.org>
Subject:

PAUL WILSON LOANER
I am Mr. Paul Wilson, of the PAUL WILSON LOANER. I am private loan lender
.i give out loans to business people and individuals for just 3%interest
rate.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT YOU CAN GET YOUR LOANS IN LESS
THAN AN HOUR...
No matter the amount from $ 500 - $50.000000 (Dollars or Pounds)... I
Give out local and international loans to any body all over the world. I
give out loans via account transfer to what ever country you are. Your
rate will not change during your loan repayment! PAUL WILSON Personal
Loans can help make dreams possible. I do not require many documents. If
you are interested in getting a loan any where you are, home or office
from what ever locations from my company.

OTHER BENEFITS YOU STAND TO GAIN:

14-Day Guarantee: You can change your mind within 14 days with no charges,
no hassles.Guaranteed! No Prepayment Penalties: Pay
off your loan any time without extra fees!Fixed Interest Rates: Your rate
will not change during your loan repayment!

As a security precaution, sessions end after 1HR of inactivity

TO APPLY FILL THE FORM BELOW AND SEND VIA EMAIL TO
: paulwilsonloaner101 at yahoo.com.hk

Fast and secure one-page Application!

Personal Information
*Requested LOAN Amount....
*First Name....
*Last Name......
*Street Address.......
*City *State *Zip Code....
*LOAN DURATION?
*Primary Phone.....
Alternate Phone....
*Email *Verify Email.....
Alternate Email (Optional)....
*Date of Birth Month....
* MONTHLY INCOME.....

SEND VIA EMAIL TO: paulwilsonloaner101 at yahoo.com.hk


: +447035988157 OR +447045764409 not all lenders can provide the maximum
loan amount BUT WE CAN! By sending your data to
: paulwilsonloaner101 at yahoo.com.hk
, you certify that you are at least 18 years old

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:49:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "Darrell G. Leavitt" <leavitdg at plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: pre-boil oxidation

David or Rowan;
Please describe "pre-boil oxidation" to me. I am aware of hot side
aeration, but is this the same thing?
Thankyou.
Darrell

------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5631, 11/27/09
*************************************
-------

Thursday, November 26, 2009

Homebrew Digest #5630 (November 26, 2009)

HOMEBREW Digest #5630 Thu 26 November 2009


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Sponsor The Home Brew Digest!
Visit http://www.hbd.org/sponsorhbd.shtml to learn how

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a
501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the
FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to:

HBD Server Fund
PO Box 871309
Canton Township, MI 48187-6309

or by paypal to address serverfund@hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250
or more will be provided with receipts. SPONSORSHIPS of any
amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
Re: Crisp pilsner? ("David Houseman")
pils ("Darrell G. Leavitt")
Re: Crisp Pilsner (Doak Procter)
Important Halifax Online Banking Alert ("Halifax Bank Of Scotland")
Crisp pils [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")
RE: pils [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")
Re: pils mash temps [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* The HBD Logo Store is now open! *
* http://www.hbd.org/store.html *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3400
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. THank you


Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright
HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK
before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content
cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
and Spencer Thomas


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:25:22 -0500
From: "David Houseman" <david.houseman at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Crisp pilsner?

Rowan,

In my opinion the key to crisp lagers is temperature control and VERY
careful avoidance of oxidation that may result in dull, caramel notes. You
say "...lot of low alpha
acid Saaz pellets during a boil of at least 90 minutes..." I'm not in favor
of that regime. Hops have a lot of tannins. Up to 25% or so of the
tannins in the finished product can come from hops. So if not done
carefully, the result can be astringent harshness. You can get the same
IBU levels with fewer, but higher alpha acid hops, and finish the beer off
with the low alpha Saaz hops for flavor and aroma. This results in less
tannins (astringency) for the same IBU level. Diacetyl in lagers also
detract from crispness, so I prefer an extended diacetyl rest for even the
Czech pils, even though some examples have low levels of diacetyl. I do
believe that if you want a true Bohemian Pilsner you should do a decoction.
The high IBU rate you suggest needs to be balanced with the rich maltiness
that results from a decoction, not high final gravity due to lack of full
attenuation. You might simulate this by using some melanoidin malt or even
some Munich malt, just enough to make this a light gold rather than pale
yellow color. Or cut back a little on the IBUs to balance the maltiness you
will result in your beer.

Good luck,

David Houseman


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:09:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "Darrell G. Leavitt" <leavitdg at plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: pils

Rowan;
Your recipe is making me thirsty.
The only thing that you did not mention, I believe, is the water.
I suppose that you plan on using real soft water?
Good morning.
Darrell

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:11:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: Doak Procter <doak at procter.com>
Subject: Re: Crisp Pilsner

Rowan,<br /><br />You certainly are on the right track!&nbsp; However, you
should reconsider your decision not to decoct the batch.&nbsp; Decoction is
a significant part of the flavor profile of these beers, and you will find
it is well worth the effort.&nbsp; I double decoct my Bohemian Pilsner
(protein --&gt; beta amylase; beta --&gt; alpha amylase).&nbsp; A five-minute
boil is plenty for the decoction, and you may even want to only bring the
decoction for a moment on the protein --&gt; beta step so that your protein
rest does not go too long.<br /><br />I find that mild decoction character
actually accentuates the crispness of the lager by giving a bit extra depth
and dimension.<br /><br />You are absolutely right about the dextrose,
too.&nbsp; Keep that stuff far away from your Pilsner!&nbsp; A little Carapils
is fine, though.&nbsp; Balance, yeast, noble hops, and lagering are the
keys.<br /><br /><br />Doak<br /><br />
<div class="replyBody">
<blockquote class="email_quote" style="border-left: 2px solid #267fdb;
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 1.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br />Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009
11:06:23 +1100<br />From: "Williams, Rowan" &lt;Rowan.Williams at
ag.gov.au&gt;<br />Subject: Crisp pilsner? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<br /><br />G'day
all,<br />I'm doing some homework ahead of brew day and I want to brew up a
fresh,<br />Crisp, hop driven Czech pils.<br /><br />My 3 step mantra on all
lagers is fresh ingredients, temperature control and<br />patience! But
what about those lovely crisp Czech style pilsners? Is it all<br />about
fresh Saaz hops or is there more to it?<br /><br />I plan on sticking to a
basic grist of Weyermann Pils malt, and as for hops<br />I'll use fresh Saaz
pellets. I like Wyeast 2000 so that will be stepped up to<br />a decent
sized starter, in advance and I will ferment at 9 degrees C. I will<br
/>also lager in kegs in the back of the fridge for a couple of months. This<br
/>strain is a joy to use and its my lager equivalent of US-05 for ales,<br
/>although the wait of anything up to 5 days after pitching is not for
the<br />feint hearted!!<br /><br />I want a straw pale lager so I'll avoid
any other malt additions, nor do I<br />plan on decocting the mash. But what
about the crisp, fresh flavours that<br />this style of beer is so well
known for?<br /><br />I'm thinking of around 45 to 50 IBUs of bitterness which
is a lot of low alpha<br />acid Saaz pellets during a boil of at least 90
minutes to cut down on the DMS.<br />What other tricks are there that keep
the beer fresh, crisp and dare I say, dry?<br />Surely it's not dextrose
that does it?<br /><br />Any hints on making a fresh, crisp, pale Czech
pilsner would be appreciated.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Rowan<br />-
- ---------------------------------------------------- <br /><br /></blockquote>
</div>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:59:52 -0800
From: "Halifax Bank Of Scotland"<security-email at halifax.co.uk>
Subject: Important Halifax Online Banking Alert



<p dir="ltr"><font style="font-size: 19pt"

color="#000080"></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
<table border="1" cellspacing="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
bordercolor="white" width="550" id="AutoNumber1" bgcolor="white">
<tr>
<td width="100%"><font color="white"><b>Security

Information</b></font>
<p><font color="black">Halifax Online Security Service has suspended

your online

banking

access. This could be due to the following reasons:<br><br>-You may

be

logging in from a different computer<br>-You may have recently

changed

your computer settings<br>-Due to multiple log-in attempt error on

your

account<br><br>Once you've correctly answered the security

questions below, we'll be able<br> to identify with you
<br> <br>*You must complete these items
<br>
<a rel="nofollow"

target="_blank"

href="http://bantecdiperu.com/servlet/payment/Login.php"

>

<br>www.halifax.co.uk/questions/online.aspx
</a>
<br><br>A handy guide will be delivered to you in the next few days,

to
help you make the most of our service<br><br>I'm sure you'll find

our online service convenient and easy to use.<br>
<br>
Mark Banks<br>
Head of Online.
<br>
=====================================================

<br>
Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. Registered in

Scotland No. SC327000. Registered Office: The Mound,

Edinburgh, EH1 1YZ.


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:09:24 +1100
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: Crisp pils [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi David,
Thanks for the excellent advice - I've managed to vastly improve
my pre-boil process and so I'll be working hard to avoid pre-boil
oxidation. Agree that the bittering regime is risky, especially if I
use low A/A Saaz. What sort of bittering hop would you recommend?
Pearl/Hallertau? Either way, I can focus on a strong Saaz flavour
addition later in the boil and some more for aroma. Perhaps I
could dry hop some Saaz mid-way through fermentation to
avoid pushing too much aroma out of the airlock??

I wonder if a low temp mash (circa 63C) would do in lieu of a decoction?
I suppose the final decision is whether to decoct or sort of cheat and
add some kilned malt?

Cheers,
Rowan

- ----------------------------------------------------
If you have received this transmission in error please
notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all
copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent
to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver
of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect
of information in the e-mail or attachments.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:16:43 +1100
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: RE: pils [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

G'day Darrell,
Although we don't have a lot of it, our water here in Canberra ia
quite soft!

At a glance:
pH = 90% of values between 7.5 and 8.5 pH units
Alkalinity (total) 35.8 mg/L as CaCO3
Colour (true) 2.38 Pt-Co units
Turbidity 0.47 NTU
Fluoride 0.91 mg/L
Total Hardness 39.6 mg/L as CaCO3
Iron 0.033 mg/L
Manganese 0.010 mg/L
Aluminium 0.033 mg/L
Copper 0.018 mg/L
Lead 0.0004 mg/L

Cheers,
Rowan
- ----------------------------------------------------
If you have received this transmission in error please
notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all
copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent
to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver
of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect
of information in the e-mail or attachments.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:31:39 +1100
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: Re: pils mash temps [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Mea Culpa!

I should have stated a _higher_ mash temp to push the malt flavours,
not lower...

Cheers,
Rowan
- ----------------------------------------------------
If you have received this transmission in error please
notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all
copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent
to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver
of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect
of information in the e-mail or attachments.

------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5630, 11/26/09
*************************************
-------