Sunday, June 27, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5702 (June 27, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5702 Sun 27 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
Cat's Meow (Tom Puskar)
Fwd: Cat's Meow (Patrick Babcock)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 13 Jun 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3305.65
Expended against projection $1899.76
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $ 38.08

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:58:57 -0400
From: Tom Puskar <tpuskar at optonline.net>
Subject: Cat's Meow

For this if you who go hack a way (old school!) I was wondering what ever
became of the cat's Meow. It was probably one of the first user supported
collection of recipes for homebrewing. I printed a hare copy but apparently
I lost it or gave it away.

just curious.

Tom in Howell, NJ


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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:24:35 -0400
From: Patrick Babcock <patrick.babcock at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: Cat's Meow

Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010, Tom Puskar inquired after the whereabouts of the
Cat's Meow.
The Cat's Meow is alive and well on The Brewery - brewery.org. It
lives alongside another collection, Gambrinus Mug, and the great,
ongoing collection within The Recipator - recipator.com.

See ya!
Pat Babcock in SE MI


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5702, 06/27/10
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Wednesday, June 23, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5701 (June 23, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5701 Wed 23 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
Implication to lagers? (Bob Hall)
Re: Implication to lagers? ("Spencer W. Thomas")
SD Internation Beer Festival ("Chad Stevens")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Financial Projection As of 13 Jun 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3305.65
Expended against projection $1899.76
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $ 38.08

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:42:23 -0400
From: Bob Hall <rallenhall at henry-net.com>
Subject: Implication to lagers?

In his post of June 9 regarding the brewing of Berliner weiss,
Stephen Jorgensen states "I was told that in Germany they do not ....
mash out because the DMS precursors are not formed below 70C. The
mash and the wort are never taken above saccharification temps at
all." If this is true, should the mash of any Continental lager
undergo a mash-out?

Bob Hall
Napoleon, OH

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:59:20 -0400
From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <hbd at spencerwthomas.com>
Subject: Re: Implication to lagers?

Bob Hall asks about whether the no-mash-out regime for Berliner Weiss
should also extend to lagers in general.

Bob, the key factor is that Berliner Weiss worts are also *not boiled*,
thus the wort never gets above 70C if you don't mash out, and the DMS
precursors are not formed. Also, since BW worts are traditionally not
boiled, there is no chance to boil out any DMS that might be formed.

Lager worts are boiled, thus formation of DMS precursors during mash out
is not an issue, because if they weren't formed during mash out, they
will form during the boil (and continue on to form DMS, which will be
boiled out.)

=Spencer in Ann Arbor


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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:32:42 -0700
From: "Chad Stevens" <zuvaruvi at cox.net>
Subject: SD Internation Beer Festival

The San Diego International Beer Festival is this coming weekend: June
25th-27th. 388 beers from 156 breweries in 22 countries. $30, unlimited
samples...four 4 hour sessions over the three days.

>From the materials:

"Club ONLY tasting session for brewery reps and club members only!!
First shot at all the beer! Must be purchased in advance by calling
858-792-4207."

This gets you in at 3p - an hour early - on Friday the 25th.

Beer list is at: http://zuvaruvi.com

Hope to see you there!

Chad Stevens
http://beercommando.com


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5701, 06/23/10
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Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5700 (June 22, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5700 Tue 22 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
re: HBD, Inc. News... (John Vaughn)
Measuring IBUs in wort (Fred L Johnson)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
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per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 13 Jun 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3305.65
Expended against projection $1899.76
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $ 38.08

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:47:32 -0800
From: John Vaughn <hogbrew at mtaonline.net>
Subject: re: HBD, Inc. News...

It is great to see the HBD's financial position is looking better. I
sent my $25. Thanks to all who have ponied up. Now it's time for the
rest of you to do the same.

Pat, thanks for all of your hard work.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:31:17 -0400
From: Fred L Johnson <FLJohnson52 at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Measuring IBUs in wort

Can anyone tell me if the ASBC spectrophotometric method for measuring IBUs
in wort includes a filtration or centrifugation step to remove trub? If the
method does not include trub separation, does anyone know to what degree the
presence of trub in the extraction affects the results? I can imagine that
some of the material measurable in the ASBC spectrophotometric method as an
IBU might be bound to trub proteins such that the value obtained after trub
filtration could be lower than that obtained without filtration. Anyone have
any knowledge on this?

On a related topic, what materials besides isomerized alpha acids contribute
to the IBU value in the ASBC spectrophotometric method?

Fred L Johnson
Apex, North Carolina, USA


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5700, 06/22/10
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Sunday, June 20, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5699 (June 20, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5699 Sun 20 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
HBD, Inc. News... ("Pat Babcock")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
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per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 13 Jun 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3305.65
Expended against projection $1899.76
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $ 38.08

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:38:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Pat Babcock" <pbabcock at hbd.org>
Subject: HBD, Inc. News...

Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...

Many thanks to those who ponied up to the aid of the HBD. In just a short
time, the HBD has moved from underwater to able to breathe again. Thanks
to all who have come to our aid!

On that note, there have been some changes in how we expense certain items
to help flatten out our annual expenses and limit my personal exposure.
Since, as opposed to certain other entities in the news these days, we do
actually strive to be transparent in our machinations, I have provided a
"blurb" on the HBD Finances page explaining this and why, even though we
are showing a positive bank balance for the end of the year, the HBD's
financial condition is not considered green.

Also, because the HBD traffic is reduced, causing posts to languish overly
long in the queue, I am reducing by about half the hurdle bar on the
Digest's size-to-send. Finally, things at work *should* be slowing down
for a bit soon, and I plan to do some much needed and long overdue
revisions to the Digesting software and to the web site. Assuming I'm
successful, the Digest soon will no longer gripe about line lengths,
oddball fonts, and HTML - while still maintaining the custom controls that
allow our "dead-man switch" moderation as well your ability to cancel
posts as you see fit.

Cheers!

- --
See ya!

Pat Babcock in SE Michigan
Chief of HBD Janitorial Services
http://hbd.org
pbabcock at hbd.org
NOTE: I am migrating my email to a new address.
Please use "Reply-to" information. Thanks.


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Tuesday, June 15, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5698 (June 15, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5698 Tue 15 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
Berliner fermentation times? (Mike Eyre)
Mundelein Days American Cup Homebrew Competition ("Dan Morey")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
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per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 13 Jun 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3305.65
Expended against projection $1066.11
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($ 14.84)

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:32:51 -0400
From: Mike Eyre <mikeeyre74 at gmail.com>
Subject: Berliner fermentation times?

Anyone have any good info on what a typical fermentation
time either primary only or primary secondary, if that's used
for this style? I brewed the thing yesterday and pitched my
lacto starter (I'll post more details when I have some better
data..) and plan to let the lacto go for two days before I pitch
the neutral yeast to finish it off.. but then what? Do I do my
normal 10 days primary and keg it, or should I secondary
this thing and let it go for longer? I can't seem to find much
good information on this aspect of the brew. There's,
apparently, 600 ways to brew thing beer to get the wort
done.. but nothing much follows that, that I've been able
to read about.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:14:02 -0500
From: "Dan Morey" <dan-at-morey.us at comcast.net>
Subject: Mundelein Days American Cup Homebrew Competition

Entries are now being accepted for the Inagural Mundelein Days American Cup
Homebrew Competition. This compeition is open to American styles. Judging
will take place Jul 3rd. Rules and entry forms can be found at:

http://www.babblehomebrewers.com/Events.html

In addition, there will be a homebrew demonstration and tasting open to the
public July 3rd from 1:00-5:00 pm.

We are still in need of volunteers to judge and steward. Interested parties
should contact: americancup at babblehomebrewers.com

Cheers, Dan

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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5698, 06/15/10
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Friday, June 11, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5697 (June 11, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5697 Fri 11 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


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Contents:
Berliner Weisse more detailed ("T. Rohner")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 04 Jun 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3305.65
Expended against projection $1066.11
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($940.36)

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:31:10 +0200
From: "T. Rohner" <t.rohner at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Berliner Weisse more detailed

Hello again

In my first post, i described how i made my first 3 batches of "Berliner
Weisse" without my notes at hand. (My brewery notebook isn't networked,
so i didn't have access to my most recent Promash receipes at the time
of writing.)

Since i got a couple of PM's, asking for a more detailed receipe and the
Promsh file, i post it here. I wrote, that you can have my Promash file,
but i don't think it makes much sense. Most of the important steps is in
<Extras/Notes> and it's written there in my native language, which is
german.

Ingredients:

Weyermann wheat malt 8.82 Lbs.
Weyermann pilsner malt 6.61 Lbs.
resulting gravity around 8 Plato or 1.032 SG (style calls for SG between
1.026 and 1.036)

Tettnanger Hops (4.1 Alpha) 0.88 Oz. 60 minutes boil
6.7 IBU (style calls for 3-8 IBU)

Resulting batch size 14.5 Gals.
Water: our house mixture 50% of our pretty hard tap water and 50%
demineralized water

2x 11.5g packet of DCL US-05 yeast (US ale)
2x 11.5g packet of DCL WB-06 yeast (Wheat beer yeast)

Procedure:

Since it was the first time, we had to improvise a little bit... but
that's where the fun is.

We measured the grain and wetted it with about 5 fl oz. of water before
milling with our fixed gap JSP Maltmill. (wetting the grain makes a huge
difference later on, especially for lautering)

We mashed in 90% of the grist with about 3.5 Gals. of water at 145 F for
45 minutes.
We raised the temperature to 160 F for 30 minutes.

We have a 13.2 Gal. / 50 l insulated SS-Keg with a Easy-Masher as
mash/lauter tun with a 10kW burner for heating. But i think you could do
it with infusion as well, maybe with less water at mash-in.

Then we cooled it down to around 120 F. We did this by adding 2 Gals. of
cold water and by immersing water filled beer bottles tied on a
string... this was a strange sight ;-) We only have a selfmade
counterflow chiller, but next time i visit my HB-shop, i'll pick up a
immersion chiller.

Then we added the remaining 10% of the grist for innoculating the lactos
present on the malt, into the mash.
At that time the PH of the mash was at 5.4(friday 19:00)
We put a insulating lid on the tun and left it alone.

I was asked, why i let the sour-mash work for 14 hours. This is simply
because we did the mash on friday after work and brewed on saturdays
starting at 9:00. What i read on the net, people let their sour-mashes
work for 12-18 hours. So 14 hours made sense to me

Saturday at 9:00 the temperature of the mash was at 95 F and it smelled
quite unusual...for a mash. It was kinda "milky", like in a milk
processing or cheese making plant. It wasn't smelling cheesy, but more
like whey, if you know it.
The PH was at 4.4 at that time.

We did another saccarification rest at 145 F for 30 minutes.
Then 30 minutes at 160 F.

I don't know if this is really needed, for the remaining 10% of the
grist. I should have made a iodine test... Next time, i will check it.
I'm pretty sure this second mashing is overkill

Then we heated to mashout at 170 F for 10 minutes.
We lautered and sparged to collected some 10.5 Gals. of wort. We diluted
it to get 15 Gasl. pre-boil.

After it started to boil, we added 0.88 Oz. Tettnanger pellets (4.1
Alpha) for 60 minutes.

We cooled it down to 65 F with out counterflow chiller and collected
around 14 Gals.
Then, we added the rehydrated yeast mixture and oxygenated the wort with
medicinal pure oxygen with a SS diffusion stone.
We put the fermenter into our "fermentation freezer" set at 65 F. The
next day when i checked, it was foaming over and i reduced the temp to
60 F for two days, then i increased it to 68.
Judging from the bubbling activity in the air lock, i would say that
fermentation was complete in 4-5 days. But we left it for 2 weeks,
because of our brewing schedule.

After two weeks we added beet sugar for bottle conditioning. Carbonation
should be on the higher side. We used to use DME for carbonation for
almost 10 years. But one time, we were out of DME and we used plain
table sugar. I asked my brew buddies to tell me the difference between
DME and beet sugar carbonated beer in a little blind test. Like me, they
weren't able to. That's why we use beet sugar now. It's much cheaper and
readily available everywhere.


I choose this way of souring, because i don't need to have living lactos
in the fermenters. It seems to be a quite bulletproof way. We have HDPE
16 Gal. fermenters and use them for over 12 years without infections.

One of my brew buddies is in Berlin at the moment. I told him to grab a
couple of Schultheiss bottles for commercial calibration...

Cheers Thomas

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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:16:04 -0500
From: Stephen Jorgensen <stephen at ultraemail.net>
Subject: Re: Berliner Weiss

I tried this once and it turned out fairly well, 50/50 wheat and pale
malt with 1/4 oz Hallertau pellets in the mash at 150F 1 hour and mashed
out at 170. Sparged through a counterflow chiller into fermenter. OG
was 1.045 for 6 gallons. I fermented with a Lacto starter as previously
described by the Wyeast method and Danstar dry german wheat yeast.
Can't find my notes but I remember I didn't add the Lacto until high
kraeusen to lessen the PH shock. Left it in the primary for two weeks
at 65 - 70 F and racked it off for immediate bottling.

I was very happy with the acid level but there was a noticeable DMS
flavor which, with the acid, was a bit like green olives but certainly
drinkable. I was attending Siebel at the time and had the opportunity
to ask Michael Eder from Doemens about DMS in Berliner Weiss. I was
told that in Germany they do not boil Berliner and they do mot mash out
because the DMS precursors are not formed below 70C. The mash and the
wort are never taken above saccharification temps at all. I did not ask
but can safely assume that in order to get the Lacto into the beer there
is a cold sour mash rather than a culture due to the Reinheitsgebot.


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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:14:04 -0400
From: "A.J deLange" <ajdel at cox.net>
Subject: Brix/Plato conversion

As a consequence of researching the Brix question further I have
discovered, after years of wondering, exactly what the relationship
between Brix and Plato (as calculated by the ASBC polynomial) for a
given specific gravity (20/20, apparent), S, is and it is

Plato - Brix = (((-2.81615*S + 8.79724)*S - 9.1626)*S + 3.18213)

A couple of examples (pmb(1) is the function given above)
pmb(1) = 0.00062
pmb(1.04) = 0.00033503
pmb(1.08) = 8.47872e-05

Thus the differences are in the 4th and 5th decimal places in Plato (%
w/w) units. As 1 P corresponds to 0.004 specific gravity units going
in the other direction the differences between specific gravity
calculated from Brix and Plato %w/w values would be 0.004*0.00062 =
00000248 and 0.000335*0.004 = 0.0000013 at the high end of the ASBC
polynomial's range.

These values were arrived at by fitting a 4th order polynomial to the
data in Table 114 of NBS (now NIST) circular 440 which seems to stand
as the authority to this day in the US at least.


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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:58:51 -0400
From: "Lemcke Keith" <klemcke at siebelinstitute.com>
Subject: Siebel Advanced Homebrewing Course

Just a reminder that there is still time to register for the Siebel
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:17:16 -0400
From: "A.J deLange" <ajdel at cox.net>
Subject: Brix and SG

For Jim: Apparently you are seeking the relationship between the
concentration of a wort and its specific gravity. In modern brewing
this is modeled based on the work of the Normal-Eichungskomission of
1900 under the leadership of Leo Plato. He measured the true specific
gravity (density at 20 C normalized by the density of water at 4 C)
of pure sucrose solutions (as did Brix and Balling before him) and so
when we do these interconversions we assume that wort is pure sucrose
which, of course it isn't, but other sugars behave nearly identically
to sucrose and so it is a good model not to mention that sucrose is
easy to purify and is not hygroscopic so it can be accurately weighed
out. The ASBC and EBC have taken the approach of taking apparent
specific gravities (20 C/20 C) ranging from 1.00000 to 1.08300 in
steps of 0.00005, converting these to true (in vacuo) values entering
these into the Plato tables and taking out the percent sugar by weight
for each specific gravity. Interpolation between adjacent Plato table
entries was done as required. ASBC and EBC publish the result in
tables found in the ASBC MOA's and in Analytica and these are the
"official" basis for all concentration/SG calculations. Because these
tables are based on Plato's work the units of concentrations (grams of
sucrose per 100 grams of solution) are referred to as "degrees Plato"
or just P. One enters the table with specific gravity and takes out
degrees P.

To replace the tables with a formula requires a curve fit. As you
noted the relationship between P and SG is almost, but not quite
linear. Curve fitting is a bit of an art and there are several options
available to the analyst. The ASBC publishes (in the MOAs) a third
order polynomial fit to the data in the table: P =(((135.997*S -
630.272)*S + 1111.14)*S - 616.868). This polynomial provides rms
agreement with the table of 0.00061P with a maximum error of 0.0038P
at SG = 1 (i.e. it doesn't go through 0 at SG 1.00000) but, as we
seldom deal with worts weaker than 1 P it is a very good
representation of what is in the table. It is, of course, possible to
make higher order fits which are forced to go through 0 or others
which emphasize a particular region (say 7 - 15 P) and one is, of
course, free to do that but the ASBC polynomial represents the
industry standard and should, therefore, always be used.

But you want to go the other way; from Plato to SG. The only "correct"
way to do this is by finding the value of SG which causes the ASBC
polynomial to evaluate to the desired value of P. There are a couple
of ways to do this. The ASBC polynomial is third order and so closed
form formulas for the roots can be written and the correct one chosen.
It takes a fair amount of algebra to get to the root to the point that
it is actually easier to code an iterative root finder and this is
what ProMash does. The reason it does it that way is so that if you
feed ProMash a specific gravity of 1.040 is will use the ASBC
polynomial to calculate 9.99353 P and if you feed it 9.99353 P it
will return exactly (to machine precision) 1.040.

You can, of course, fit the ASBC table to come up with a polynomial
for SG as a function of Plato. S = (((6.34964E-8*P + 1.27447E-5)*P +
0.00386777)*P + 1.0000131) is such a polynomial and it is quite good.
For example S(6) - root(6) = 2.19009e-06 where root( ) is a function
that iteratively inverts the ASBC polynomial. Thus we would expect S
and the ASBC polynomial to close pretty tightly e.g. S(P(1.040))
=1.04000198755817 where P( ) is a function that converts whatever
specific gravity is in the parentheses to Plato by the ASBC polynomial
and S_G( ) is a function that converts whatever is in the parentheses
to specific gravity using the inversion polynomial. Note that in
ProMash, root(P(1.040)) = 1.04000000031739 when the root bisector is
set for a tolerance of 1E-9.

Looking at the numbers in your table 6.000P interpolates to 1.02369166
in the ASBC table. root(6) = 1.02369005432759 and S(6) =
1.0236922444224 so the inverse fit polynomial is closer to the table
than inversion of the ASBC polynomial (which isn't too surprising
since a simple fit to the table gives a polynomial slightly different
from the ASBC polynomial. But the inverse of the polynomial must be
considered the "correct" answer as it closes with the official
polynomial. Since ProMash uses the inverse it should return 1.02369
for 6 P input. For 9 P it should return 1.035899639 and for 12 it
should return 1.0483692. The fact that the values you obtained from
ProMash are different suggests that something is wrong. The 1.02277
corresponds to 5.771 P and 1.04644 corresponds to 11.54 P which are
way off - i.e. too far off even to be explained by the small
differences between the actual Brix scale and the Plato scale. I can't
believe ProMash has become "broken" to this extent. It checked when I
worked with Geoffrey on these algorithms but that has been years.
Could you check those ProMash numbers?

Bottom Line: S = (((6.34964E-8*P + 1.27447E-5)*P + 0.00386777)*P +
1.0000131) is an inverse fit to the ASBC table data and is good for
almost any purpose. To 5 decimal places it gives answers identical to
your number (3).
An exact inverse of the ASBC polynomial may
actually be less accurate (because the ASBC polynomial isn't the best
fit to the table) but is to be preferred because it has the imprimatur
of the ASBC upon it.

A.J.


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:30:42 +0200
From: "T. Rohner" <t.rohner at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Berliner Weisse

Hello all
i was reading the posts on "Berliner Weisse" with much interest. A
couple of months ago, i was looking for information on the subject.
It doesn't seem to be a very popular style among homebrewers. I can
imagine why...
After some internet research, i found a pretty easy way to let the
lactos do their work, while still using a bacterial-free fermentation
regime.
The "four No's" way seems a bit adventureous to me.(I didn't try it..)
The way i do it, is tweaked a bit from the original way i found on the
internet. The way i read about, is closer to the "four no" method.
Here the way i did it: (i use SI units...)
Malt: 4kg wheat, 3kg pilsner (Weyermann)
I mashed 90% of the grist at 63 C for 45 min
then 30 min at 71 C.
Then i cooled it down to 48 C and added the remaining 10% of the
grist.(for the lactos on the malt)
I let it sit for 14 hours for the lactos to do their work.
Then i heat it up to 63 C again for 30 min, then to 71 C for another 30
min and then to 77 C for mash-out.
After lautering, i boil it for 60 min and add a little hop for 30 min.
I fermented it with a mixture of American Ale and Wheat yeast.(Both dry
yeast from Fermentis) I did this, because i remember the beer in Berlin
as relatively clean tasting.(Not very wheaty...)

The smell of the sour mash in the morning was a bit strange at first,
but when we bottled the first batch, i was pretty confident, that it
turns out nice.
Now, after having brewed 3 batches(150litres), we are very happy with
the results. Even my SWMBO who doesn't drink "normal" beers, judged it
very positively.(Not only verbally, but she drank a imperial pint of it
with our woodruff sirup.)
In Berlin, many people drink it with "Schuss", which is a shot of
raspberry or woodruff sirup. It takes a little sourness out. After
having tried our product in the pure form, i went in the forest to
gather some woodruff to make sirup. The sirup turned out very nice and
with some green food colorant it looks like the commercially sold version...

If there is some interest in a more detailed recipe, i could post it, or
even send the Promash file.

Cheer Thomas

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:48:33 -0400
From: "Mike Patient" <mpatient at rta.biz>
Subject: RE: Brix to Specific Gravity

I have been making brewing software in my free time and have been looking at
various resources for formulas.

Wikipedia defines brix as 261.3 x (1-1/g)
Making g 1-(261.3/b)

This is also a linear formula, and my bet is that in reality it isn't.
However, the relationship might be pretty close to linear for the range
acceptable for brewing. I am not sure if it is the case.

If anyone has more info, I am quite interested as well.

Mike

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 15:34:16 -0400
From: Jim Stansell <jim.stansell at comcast.net>
Subject: Brix to Specific Gravity Calculations

I've searched through the HBD archives as well as other online
sources and have found several formulas for converting brix to
specific gravity of raw wort.

(1) SG = ((Brix-1.6)/220)+1
(2) SG = (260/(260-(Brix/1.04)))
(3) SG =
1.000019+0.003865613*(Brix)+0.00001296425*(Brix^2)+0.00000005701128*(Brix^3)
(4) SG =
1.000898+0.003859118*(Brix)+0.00001370735*(Brix^2)+0.00000003742517*(Brix^3)

The first two are both linear, and my impression was that the
relationship (although close) wasn't linear, so I assume that these
are approximations.

The remaining two are certainly close, although the last one always
produces a result for SG that's 0.0009 higher at each brix reading
(BTW, it's not exactly the same difference every time, but it always
rounds to 0.0009).

Finally, when I plug various brix readings into ProMash, I come up
with different SGs.

For example:

(3) (4) ProMash

6.0 brix 1.02369 1.02455 1.02277
9.0 brix 1.03590 1.03677 1.03448
12.0 brix 1.04837 1.04925 1.04644
18.0 brix 1.07413 1.07502 1.07110

Is there a preferred (i.e., most accurate) version or are they all
close enough to each other to be acceptable substitutes?

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Sunday, June 6, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5692 (June 06, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5692 Sun 06 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
Lacto update.. FYI (Mike Eyre)


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* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 04 Jun 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3305.65
Expended against projection $1066.11
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($1137.51)

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:25:23 -0400
From: Mike Eyre <mikeeyre74 at gmail.com>
Subject: Lacto update.. FYI

I wrote to WYeast and told them I wanted to make
10 gallons of a Berliner Weiss style of beer and I had
one old package of their lacto strain. This is what they
told me to do:

"Make a 1 Liter sized starter with DME at a gravity of 1.020. Add
your 5335 and incubate at 86oF for 1 week. Give it shake every
day to knock out some of the CO2. Make sure you are very
sanitary... as this an easy one to infect."

I mashed 1lb of grain with 1.33 qts of water on the stove top in my
micro brewery (just for doing all grain starter worts) and then
sparged it appropriately. I diluted the wort to 1.020 and boiled for
15 minutes and cooled it to 95 degrees. I pitched the lacto culture
in one jar and I pitched a couple tablespoons of raw grain into
another jar, just to see what would happen. So far, nothing
doing in the lacto jar.. but the raw grain jar is starting to form
some sort of stuff on the surface that looks like krausen. We'll
keep an eye on it and see hat happens..


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Wednesday, June 2, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5691 (June 02, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5691 Wed 02 June 2010


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Contents:
Re: Donation ("Greg 'groggy' Lehey")
HBD Status, hosting alternatives et al. (Patrick Babcock)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 21 May 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3505.65
Expended against projection $ 892.11
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($1395.93)

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:01:21 +1000
From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at lemis.com>
Subject: Re: Donation

On Tuesday, 1 June 2010 at 7:41:13 -0400, Steve Jones wrote:
> I've made my donation.
>
> But isn't there a way we can continue all this with a different
> hosting paradigm? $3500 or so per year is a lot to provide what has
> basically become an archive of information.

Indeed. I've offered Pat free (or possibly just very cheap) hosting,
but he prefers to do it himself. That's certainly his prerogative,
but it does sound a very expensive alternative.

> With all the hosting services out there I don't see a need to
> maintain our own server and t1 connection any longer. I realize that
> there are many more pieces to the puzzle than hbd, bnv, recipator,
> etc. but we should be able to come up with some way to provide
> 80-90% of the same services with only 10-20% of the cost.
>
> But it will take someone more creative than I to come up with it.

I'm still there, and I'm still prepared to help. But I don't want to
push Pat where he doesn't want to go.

Greg
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:36:43 -0400
From: Patrick Babcock <patrick.babcock at gmail.com>
Subject: HBD Status, hosting alternatives et al.

Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...

My sincere thanks to all who have come forward to assist the HBD
financially. Reading all the comments helps to settle the relevance of
what we're doing, too..

Concerning the hosting of the HBD and the associated expense: These
comments, too, are appreciated - as I commented recently to Spencer, I
often toy with the idea of moving the whole ball of wax off-site so
that, perhaps, I can slip under the waves and let someone else
dog-paddle behind this particular raft. However... (there's always a
"however".)

The HBD is more than just a mailing list or archive - more than what
most users see. Most who use the HBD mailing list are unaware that
there are other functions/services running behind and alongside it.
Also true: most who use the other portions of the network are unaware
of the mailing list, etc. In any case, for what the HBD is and does,
suffice it to say that most low-costs hosts will not contain the
bandwidth without jacking up their charges. The higher-cost hosts
which can and will contain the bandwidth become cost comparative when
the number of machines and domains that make up Home Brew Digest, Inc.
are tossed in. There is also a significant non-beer related
charitable organization hosted by the HBD (and, yes: they, too come to
the pump when the HBD is in financial need. Over the past several
years, their members' donations to the server have helped to keep us
afloat as well.)

Yes, these things could ostensibly be separated and sent off-site
separating their fiscal failures or fortunes - but the cost would be
significantly higher as separately hosted solutions. All have some
value to the community, and most would not survive on their own.

Also, as some of the "gray beards" among us may remember, when I first
took the HBD on, we were hosted for free by the Observer & Eccentric
Newspapers (for which we remain eternally grateful!). As such, my
ability to wrest the system out of the grip of hackers (of which there
have been myriad), hardware failures (also myriad), software failures
(ditto, but more readily contained remotely) was hampered by the fact
that I hold a 40-hours-plus-per-week career, and the data center at
which the HBD lived (10 miles from home, 12 miles from work) at the
time was not open 24x7. Granted, hardware and linux distributions have
come a long, long way since then but, frankly, I never want to relive
those days. It was a hell of an education - the best way to learn
something is while in a panic with little time available - but it was
like surgery without anesthesia, too.

Again, I appreciate these comments; however, I'm also not some wizened
hermit living in isolation. I am aware - keenly aware - of the land-
scape. It simply does not make fiscal sense to cast off the mooring
lines at present as an operation.

And to all of those who have rushed in to fill the financial void:
thank you! It's like a reunion: I see many, many familiar names in the
group of donors, but the family is growing: I see many new names as
well. Note that updates to the site come few and far between at
present (because my 40-hours-plus-per-week career is closer to a 90-
hours-per week career of late), but I am still committed to updating
the financial and donor pages to ensure you're kept abreast of the
situation, and that all donors are acknowledged. (If they'd only pay
me for the additional 50 hours per week, HBD finances wouldn't be at
issue...)

Thanks again.

Pat Babcock
Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
HBD, Inc.


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Tuesday, June 1, 2010

Homebrew Digest #5690 (June 01, 2010)

HOMEBREW Digest #5690 Tue 01 June 2010


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
Shipping faucets overseas? [SEC=PERSONAL] ("Williams, Rowan")
Sterilizing wood pieces for fermenter (Fred L Johnson)
Donation (IT)" <stjones@eastman.com>
Starter for Lacto in Berliner Weisse (David Lewinnek)
Re: Homebrew Digest Donation (stevesveil-hbd)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 21 May 2010
Projected 2010 Budget $3505.65
Expended against projection $ 892.11
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($1395.93)

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:24:05 +1000
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: Shipping faucets overseas? [SEC=PERSONAL]

Personal
Hi all,
Does anybody know of a retailer who ships Perlick

faucets to overseas brewers?

I bought a Ventmatic faucet from Northern Brewer

back in 2005 and I'm having no luck in finding a

supplier who's willing to ship similar faucets and

shanks to brewers in the antipodes?!

Cheers,
Rowan

Canberra Brewers
Australia


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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:44:42 -0400
From: Fred L Johnson <FLJohnson52 at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Sterilizing wood pieces for fermenter

On a side note, in my response to Mike's request for a method for culturing
lactobacillus, I mentioned the article by Wee et al., "Pilot-Scale Lactic
Acid Production via Batch Culturing of Lactobacillus sp. RKY2 Using Corn
Steep Liquor As a Nitrogen Source", Food Technol. Biotechnol. 44 (2) 293298
(2006). In that article, the authors noted that steaming process for
producing the wood hydrolysates for their experiments releases toxic
compounds that were suspected to have retarded the ability of the
lactobacillus to ferment. This may be pertinent to those of you who steam or
boil your wood chips before adding them to your fermenter. I would recommend
NOT adding the water in which the chips were boiled or steamed to the
fermenter based on Wee's report.

Fred L Johnson
Apex, North Carolina, USA

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:41:13 -0400
From: "Jones, Steve (IT)" <stjones at eastman.com>
Subject: Donation

I've made my donation.

Note that if you select the Personal tab and select Gift, the server fund
will receive more of your donation than with a standard donation.

I like the digest format. There are dozens of places to go for chats and
instant responses, but there is a lot of garbage on them that doesn't exist
on the hbd (or brews n views, either). When people have to wait a day to see
their post, and then another day to see responses, they tend to be more
serious and civil. I would love to see the hbd return to its heyday of
activity when the full 45K (or whatever) was filled every day. There were
some great discussions, and many well-known and highly respected people
participated.

But isn't there a way we can continue all this with a different hosting
paradigm? $3500 or so per year is a lot to provide what has basically become
an archive of information. With all the hosting services out there I don't
see a need to maintain our own server and t1 connection any longer. I
realize that there are many more pieces to the puzzle than hbd, bnv,
recipator, etc. but we should be able to come up with some way to provide
80-90% of the same services with only 10-20% of the cost.

But it will take someone more creative than I to come up with it.

Steve Jones
State of Franklin Homebrewers

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:20:29 -0400
From: David Lewinnek <davelew at gmail.com>
Subject: Starter for Lacto in Berliner Weisse

Mike asks about a starter for a Berliner Weisse. I am a big fan of this
style, and I make my Berliner Weisses differently from most of the
published recipes out there. My method for Berliner Weisse is the
"Four No's": No boil, No hops, No yeast, No problem.

My method is to mash some grains (roughly 50-50 wheat and pils), then
drain the mash into a fermenter. No boil, no hops. I let the fermenter
cool to 85, then throw in a handful of raw, uncracked grains (in case the
mash killed or damaged any bugs with heat), and keep the fermenter at
around 85 degrees F for two weeks. I seal the fermenter with a dry
S-shaped airlock stuffed with a cotton ball to allow oxygen transfer, but
keep insects out. I have heard lactobacillus described as both a
facultative anaerobe like brewer's yeast, and as a microaerophile which
prefers low oxygen, high CO2 environments. I don't know which is
correct, but I get plenty of sour from my cotton-ball-in-the-airlock method.
As for temperatures, there is more agreement on 86F being the optimal
temp for lacto growth, which helps the lacto dominate over the
pediococcus and brettanomyces and saccharomyces that have probably
been innoculated into the wort.

My suggestion for Mike is not to worry about getting the lacto to take.
If he keeps the conditions favorable for lacto (gravity under 1.035,
temperature in the 80s), the lacto will grow.


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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:56:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: stevesveil-hbd at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest Donation

Just PayPal'ed $10 to cover me and a non-donor.
Why? This group must know how to search the archives,
The same stupid questions don't get re-asked time and time again!

Just my 2 additional cents,
Steve Seeley from Shingle Spring CA (Between Sacramento and Tahoe off HW50)


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