Thursday, April 28, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5832 (April 28, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5832 Thu 28 April 2011


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Contents:
Re: Brewing Apps for Mac (Joel Wilson)
Re: Mac brewing software (Brian Dougan)
Brewing apps for the Mac (homebrewtim)
Re: Brewing Apps for the Mac (Paul Hethmon)
RE: Brewing apps for the Mac ("Mike Patient")
Barleywine Carbonation Tips (Paul Hethmon)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:13:11 +1000
From: Joel Wilson <450shakey at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brewing Apps for Mac
Hi Robert,
I highly recommend BeerAlchemy from Kent Place Software.
You can get versions that run on Mac, iPod, iPhone and iPad
You can also synchronize the data between your mac and mobile device(s) for
convenience and data protection.
Cheers,
Joel
------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:27:24 -0400
From: Brian Dougan <dougan.brian at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mac brewing software
I am sure I won't be the only one that chimes in with this, but Q-Brew works
out well for me on my Mac.
-Brian
Sent from my iPad
------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:51:40 -0500
From: homebrewtim at mac.com
Subject: Brewing apps for the Mac

I've used Beeralchemy and currently use BeerTools.
BeerTools has everything I need except for a way to
sync to an App on either my iPad or iPhone. The
BeerTools forum is active and the developer seems very
responsive. In fact, when I switched from my PC to a Mac,
the BeerTools guy gave me a new registration code so I did
not have to re-purchase it. It's most recent release has a huge
Ingredient database and supports inventory and individual recipe
water profiles.

I've also seen info on the Beersmith site that he is working
on a Mac-native version of their software.

Cheers,

Tim

Sent from my iPad
- --------------------------------------------
>


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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:23:23 -0400
From: Paul Hethmon <phethmon at hethmon.com>
Subject: Re: Brewing Apps for the Mac
On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Robert Ray wrote:
> From: Robert Ray <ray_robert at comcast.net>
> Subject: Brewing apps for the Mac
> I am interested in brewing management software, something like brew smith.
Any
> recommendations?
I've been using Beer Tools Pro for a few years now. It's the only software I've
used, so I can't really compare it to others, but it does everything I need.
Ingredient database is large, interface is pretty intuitive. Most of all, it's
actively supported.
Paul
Farragut, Tennessee
------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:43:06 -0400
From: "Mike Patient" <mpatient at rta.biz>
Subject: RE: Brewing apps for the Mac

I highly recommend Brew Alchemy.
It is incredibly easy to use.
I would not only rate it best for the Mac, but I like it better than the PC
versions like Beer Smith and the others.
If you want to go all out they have a smaller version for the iPhone and
they sync.
I no longer take my computer into the brew day. Just the phone and an easy
sync.

Mike

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:20:13 -0400
From: Paul Hethmon <phethmon at hethmon.com>
Subject: Barleywine Carbonation Tips
I've got my first barleywine in the fermenter and I think about ready to
bottle. I started with an OG of 106 and figuring to end at 21 (assuming an
attenuation of 80%). It's been fermenting for 6 weeks now and if I've reached
the calculated FG, what's the recommendation for priming sugar for bottling?
I'm thinking somewhere between 1.5 and 2.0 volumes.
In case it makes a difference, this got the Wyeast 9097 Old Ale seasonal yeast
from last fall.
thanks,
Paul
Farragut, Tennessee
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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5832, 04/28/11
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Wednesday, April 27, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5831 (April 27, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5831 Wed 27 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
Brewing apps for the Mac (Robert Ray)
ETB2011 (stihlerunits)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:13:56 -0600
From: Robert Ray <ray_robert at comcast.net>
Subject: Brewing apps for the Mac
I am interested in brewing management software, something like brew smith. Any
recommendations?
Sent from my mobile device
------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:07:15 -0700
From: <stihlerunits at mosquitobytes.com>
Subject: ETB2011

Announcing the 15th Annual E.T. Barnette Homebrew Competition!

This is a AHA/BJCP sanctioned competition.

The grand prize for Best of Show is $500!!!

Great prizes and custom medals will also be awarded to the 1st, 2nd and
3rd place winners of each of the seven judged categories.

The seven categories that will be judged are: Bock (5A-D), English Pale
Ale (8A-C), American Ale (10A-C), Porter (12A-C), Stout (13A-F), IPA
(14A-C) and Fruit/Spice/Herb/Vegetable Beer (20 & 21A).

Entries will be accepted: June 27 - July 20, 2011

Entry fees: Please submit three 12-16 oz bottles and a check or money
order for $5.00 per entry.

Judging: Judging will take place on Saturday, July 23rd.

Location: Fox, Alaska (a small mining community ~10 miles north of
Fairbanks)

More information as well as Entry and Bottle ID forms may be found at
the following URL:
http://www.mosquitobytes.com/Den/Beer/Events/Events.html

Should you have any questions please contact me at
stihlerunits at mosquitobytes.com or (907) 474-2138.


Cheers,

Scott Stihler
Fairbanks, Alaska
[2874, 324.9] Apparent Rennerian

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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5831, 04/27/11
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Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5830 (April 19, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5830 Tue 19 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


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Contents:
Wrapping with da house! [SEC=PERSONAL] ("Williams, Rowan")
Re: Cleaning Kegs (bill keiser)
Next up: Multi-Part MIME ("Pat Babcock")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
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per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:53:40 +1000
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: Wrapping with da house! [SEC=PERSONAL]
Personal
Pat,
Great work!
Fingers crossed with this post. Hopefully I'll be able to decloak from lurking
mode now that the 80 char line wrapping jibberscrinsen has been sorted.
Apologies for a lengthy response, but hey, I wanna see the line wrapper, um,
rapping!
Cheers,
Rowan
Canberra Brewers
Australia
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 06:32:11 -0400
From: bill keiser <sharpstik at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Cleaning Kegs

I've cleaned some mead bottles that had a visible deposit in them with
an oxy cleaner(sunbrite brand iir. might have been a cheap brand). It
didn't work very well, but when I used PBW, it instantly removed it,
For cleaning lines, they have line cleaners that are probably even
more aggressive.
bill keiser


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Pat Babcock" <pbabcock at hbd.org>
Subject: Next up: Multi-Part MIME

Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...

Thank you to all who have voiced their appreciation for the wrapper, and
also to those who demonstrated their faith in our efforts through their
continued support for the HBD. Hopefully, the wrapper will serve us well
with little difficulty. I'm sure there are more tweaks to come for that
'un - I even have a few in mind already.

For my next trick, I will attempt to make the HBD server swallow
multi-part MIME without indigestion or reflux. This will be much more
difficult, though, and will require this "lull" in my professional
pursuits to endure for some time in order to accomplish it with the
existing set of programs. (Fingers crossed.)

It does sorta feel good to have the HBD skunkwerx fully open once again.
It's been too long.

Code is poetry. (And mine is that nasty abstract stuff that requires a lot
of patience to decypher and understand; and a bunch of people to snap
their fingers after each verse - and to pretend they "get it"... =)

- --
See ya!

Pat Babcock in SE Michigan
Chief of HBD Janitorial Services
http://hbd.org
pbabcock at hbd.org
NOTE: I am migrating my email to a new address.
Please use "Reply-to" information. Thanks.


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5830, 04/19/11
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Monday, April 18, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5829 (April 18, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5829 Mon 18 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


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Contents:
Re: Cleaning Kegs (Paul Hethmon)
Long lines, long lines. I hate waitin' in dem... Long lines! (Patrick Babcock)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
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Spencer Thomas, and Bill Pierce


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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:03:07 -0400
From: Paul Hethmon <phethmon at hethmon.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning Kegs

Keith,

I believe Oxy Clean is similar to PBW. I would certainly
recommend picking up some PBW to clean your keg
and parts thoroughly. I've got a keg soaking in it right
now. Your local HB supply should have some
available.

Recirculating with cleaner can lessen the amount
you need, but balance that with how much crud
you are trying to remove. I'd soak anything for a few
days that has any amount of visible dirt on it.

Paul


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:40:05 -0400
From: Patrick Babcock <pbabcock at hbd.org>
Subject: Long lines, long lines. I hate waitin' in dem... Long lines!

Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...

If you are reading this, then you are reading glad, glad news! The
Home Brew Digest long lines wrapping subroutine is functioning, and
making what was not postable, postable once again! (Postable... is
that even a word?)

This announcement note has intentionally been written using lines
longer than 80. Note that, if YOUR post has lines longer than 80, you
will STILL get an error message back from the Digest (though the
wording has been changes within). Fret not - this is to alert you that
your note has been stuffed into the line wrap processor, and to tell
you to contact the Janitors if you don't get a "normal" response from
the server with cancellation info therein. Once the wrapper has been
wrappin' and we know it's good at it, this response will be turned
off.

See ya!

Pat Babcock
HBD Chief of Janitorial Services


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5829, 04/18/11
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Sunday, April 17, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5828 (April 17, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5828 Sun 17 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


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***************************************************************


Contents:
Cleaning Kegs ("Keith Christian")
Announcing The ABC BrewCrews 5th Annual Competition (jrankert)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
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Spencer Thomas, and Bill Pierce


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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 07:46:51 -0700
From: "Keith Christian" <keithchristian at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Cleaning Kegs

Cleaning Kegs
Hi,

I am getting ready to brew in 2 weeks for the first time in a year. I use
to scrub the kegs with Bar Keepers Friend, but I also need to clean half
inch nipples, ball valves, chiller, tubes, and 5 gallon kegs. Should I
consider heating water in the kegs and recirculate Oxy Clean instead? This
would be easy to do with my pump. ? I have never used Oxy Clean so if
anyone can recommend a clean procedure, that would be great.

Looking forward to brewing again!

Keith

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:35:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: jrankert at comcast.net
Subject: Announcing The ABC BrewCrews 5th Annual Competition


The 5th annual ABC BrewsCrews Homebrew Competition is open for entries.
You can find the information for the competition at brewscrews.aabg.org

Good luck to all that enter.
Jeff Rankert - Ann Arbor Brewers Guild


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5828, 04/17/11
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Friday, April 15, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5827 (April 15, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5827 Fri 15 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


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Contents:
re: All In One HERMS System Control (Natalie Hirneisen)
Re: Controller Info ("Eric \"Rick\" Theiner")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:07:00 -0400
From: Natalie Hirneisen <cave.natalie at gmail.com>
Subject: re: All In One HERMS System Control

hi ya,
about 2 years ago or so I designed a
microcontroller based
control unit that would work for HERMS or
what ever style recirculation
system ya use.
I have 8 or so circuit boards left,
ya have to stuff them your self,
I can provide a programed
PIC14 controller. How it works is
there is a LCD screen
with your set temp and the
max outlet temp (from the heater)
so ya are not runing too much heat and
scorching wort.
the setpoints are adjustable
via a pushbutton interface.
Back then, I direct heated with a
1.5KW heater fused to copper
tubing the wort recirculates though.

have a low pressure steam system
now, so this don't get used anymore.
that is another story!

Natalie

Flourtown, PA

.


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:44:56 -0400
From: "Eric \"Rick\" Theiner" <rick at ecologiccleansers.com>
Subject: Re: Controller Info

Thanks to those replying to my last message
regarding controllers. In particular, the site for
The Electric Brewery is phenomonal!!
http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/ I could spend
days there. In fact, I probably will. I had looked
at the BCS at
http://www.embeddedcontrolconcepts.com/ and
although it seems to have everything that I want in
terms of inputs and responses, I don't like the idea
of having to also having to use a computer for the
interface. Anyone have thoughts on that or on
getting around it?

Thanks again!

Rick


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5827, 04/15/11
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Thursday, April 14, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5826 (April 14, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5826 Thu 14 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
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***************************************************************


Contents:
Text Wrapping Service for Macs/Unix (Fred L Johnson)
Re: All In One HERMS System Control (Mike Schwartz)
re: all in one HERMS system control (david ludwig)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 03:47:54 -0400
From: Fred L Johnson <FLJohnson52 at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Text Wrapping Service for Macs/Unix

Regarding the text wrapping issue with HBD, I never had this problem until about
this time a year ago. Someone pointed me to a script that can be easily be
generated in Automator to wrap the text of your emails to 80 characters (or to
whatever line length you want. It works for me, although I routinely forget to
actually run the script before hitting the "Send" button, and the HBD server
bounces it back to me. I even forgot to run the script on THIS post.

The description of how to easily write this script as a "service" can be found
at:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2234611

Fred L Johnson
Apex, North Carolina, USA


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:39:10 -0500
From: Mike Schwartz <mjs at seadogboats.com>
Subject: Re: All In One HERMS System Control

Rick Theiner is looking for an easy option for HERMS control; inputs of temp
and possibly levels and outputs for relays for heaters (I'm electric)
and pumps.

Take a look at the BCS controllers. They have amazing versatility and are
accessed through a web browser from any device. They do need to be
"programmed" but it's intuitive controls and can be controlled manually.
It may be beyond what you are looking for. From the web site:

"The BCS supports eight simultaneous processes, which means that it can
control
a multitude of devices at the same time. Processes can be saved to a
config
file, enabling sharing with the community and storing recipe specific
profiles.
... Each process has four timers, four programmable Web Input
buttons for user
input, and eight different 'states' which can control any or all of
the outputs.
Heat/Cool, PID control, differential control, temperature ramping, mp3
alarms,
and PWM outputs are all standard features. Data is logged internally in the
device, and displayed on your browser, or saved as a text file"

http://www.embeddedcontrolconcepts.com/


Mike Schwartz
Beer Barons of Milwaukee
beerbarons.org
worldofbeerfestival.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:52:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: david ludwig <djl2357 at yahoo.com>
Subject: re: all in one HERMS system control

Rick,
if you haven't already, check out Kal's website for an electric
HERMS system.
http://www.theelectricbrewery.com/

A well done website and very detailed info for his design and locating
parts (disclaimer: I have no financial affiliation with this site).

We seem to be at the same stage of design, so keep
posting and we can compare notes. My system is a SHMS so
my control requirements are a little bit different than a HERMS
but the Auber PID controllers convinced me away from upgrading
my old stamp based SHMS controller. Also a good source
for cheap 12 volt coil mechanical relays is Mouser
($10 for DPST 240V 25A). http://www.automationdirect.com for
boxes. I don't really see a need for anything more than NEMA1
boxes for this application. I'm using a 10x10x4 box. Very
sturdy and reasonably priced. As opposed to the industrial
120V controls on "the electric brewery", just use 12V toggles
and save money and, IMO, safer and there is no need for
additional grounding strap to the door, required for 120V. The
heater plugs in " the electric brewery" are expensive. Just use
typical household box receptacles.
Use a computer PSU for all of your low voltage needs (you
probably have a few laying around your house that you
forgot about).
Keeping it short for now , but just some ideas. Plenty more
where they came from.
Cheers!
Dave


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5826, 04/14/11
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Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5825 (April 13, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5825 Wed 13 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
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Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
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amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
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***************************************************************


Contents:
HBD Format ("David Houseman")
All In One HERMS System Control ("Eric \"Rick\" Theiner")
Of wheels and other such inventions... ("Pat Babcock")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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Spencer Thomas, and Bill Pierce


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:13:35 -0400
From: "David Houseman" <david.houseman at verizon.net>
Subject: HBD Format

Pat et al,

I'm sorry but I just don't get it. HBD is certainly not the only
discussion digest, I know I'm on a number. And this issue of formatting
seems to only be an issue here on HBD. There are a number of softwares
that would serve this purpose. Having Pat write a word-wrapper is
re-inventing the wheel. Why do that? HBD is the people, the participation
and the knowledge, not specific software. Can't an off-the-shelf forum
software be used? I know I can post from my laptop (MS Mail deals with
the right line lengths) but I can't from my Verizon on-line mail client.

Dave Houseman

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:45:02 -0400
From: "Eric \"Rick\" Theiner" <rick at ecologiccleansers.com>
Subject: All In One HERMS System Control

I don't have time to craft the post I was going to,
but I'm looking for an easy option for HERMS control;
inputs of temp and possibly levels and outputs
for relays for heaters (I'm electric) and pumps.

Without skewing the results by talking about what
I've found, what ideas do you guys have?

I can do my own plumbing and wiring (yes, I now
have someone doublechecking my house current
stuff) but programming is beyond me, nor do I want
to take the time to learn.

I'll be starting from the ground up in terms of the
control, so any thoughts on sensors, boxes,
interfaces, etc, are encouraged.

Rick

P.S. I love the digest format, but doing away with the
80 character thing would be the best thing I could
imagine happening here!<g> Thanks for working
on it, Pat.


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:07:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Pat Babcock" <pbabcock at hbd.org>
Subject: Of wheels and other such inventions...

Greeting, Beerlings! Take me to your circular frame of hard material that
may be solid, partly solid, or spoked that is capable of turning on an
axle and which reduces the effort required to move an object placed atop
it or upon a central axle connected therein...

Dave Houseman writes:
"I'm sorry but I just don't get it. HBD is certainly not the only
discussion digest, I know I'm on a number. And this issue of formatting
seems to only be an issue here on HBD. There are a number of softwares
that would serve this purpose. Having Pat write a word-wrapper is
re-inventing the wheel. Why do that? HBD is the people, the
participation and the knowledge, not specific software. Can't an
off-the-shelf forum software be used?"

Use your memory to guide you, Dave. When the AHA took the HBD on, they did
precisely what you suggest, and the result killed the Digest. The
resulting meteoric rise in mail volume coupled with a precipitous fall in
signal:noise drove many quality posters away. The majority: permanently.

Yss, the Digest is it's posters; however, the OTHER part of what makes it
the HBD - the part you seem to be forgetting - is the Digest's unique
capability to allow the poster to recall/cancel their posting before the
next publication time. This allows the poster the ability to reconsider
the content of their post should they suffer from "send button remorse"
and/or a need to cancel and revise/repost for added clarity. I believe
even you have made use of this feature over the years. Are you aware of
any "off the shelf" package incorporating this? Neither am I.

Also, there's the Digests moderation policy and method - the part none of
you can see (ignore the men behind the curtains...). The Digest is set up
such that if a travesty of nature were to wipe out the pool of Janitors,
the Digest will still publish (assuming that same travesty didn't wipe out
all the posters...). The moderation schemes I've encountered in "off the
shelf" packages are all or nothing: either content is moderated or it is
not. If moderated, the inability of the moderator(s) to reach the queue
and pass the mail through prevents publication of the mailing. Yes, many
of these packages allow you to turn on and off a "moderation bit" for
individual posters, but for this to work, a poster must be on the
subscription list. Not so on the Digest - where the majority of readers
pick it off the web, anyway. One of those "off the shelf systems" would,
at worst, preclude web-readers' abililty to post or, at best, make the
subscription list nighmarish to maintain. (I'm speaking from experience -
I run several of these "off the shelf" lists...)

Modernizing the HBD is not a bad thing. It's feature set remains pretty
much unique among mailing lists, and that alone makes it worthy of effort.
Being about the oldest email digest script out on the 'net still running
pretty much in its original form is another. But my long ago promise to
keep it thus is the the most compelling of them all - rather than renege,
I am happy to reinvent the wheel; of course, given the time and reference
material, suitable boulder, chisel, and striker...

- --
See ya!

Pat Babcock in SE Michigan
Chief of HBD Janitorial Services
http://hbd.org
pbabcock at hbd.org


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5825, 04/13/11
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Tuesday, April 12, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5824 (April 12, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5824 Tue 12 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

Logic, Inc. - Makers of Straight A Cleanser
www.ecologiccleansers.com

Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

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amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
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tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
80 (rgriller)
3rd attempt re:HBD format (david ludwig)
Wrappin' in da hood... ("Pat Babcock")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would
be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
spare for next year. Please consider it.

Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged
and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you


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JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
Spencer Thomas, and Bill Pierce


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:46:16 +0000
From: rgriller at chass.utoronto.ca
Subject: 80

80 char is the thing

That prevents me

>From regular posting.

Should it change,

I think we would see

A greater posting range.

(Sorry!)

Robin
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:55:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: david ludwig <djl2357 at yahoo.com>
Subject: 3rd attempt re:HBD format

3rd attempt...
Glad to say I'm almost back to brewing after about a 9 year
absence (due to a multitude of factors) and back reading the HBD.
I've been checking out the many other websites that get into
brewing, but, frankly, I just have a small amount of time out
of the day to check these sites. The HBD email delivery works
great for me, so stay the course with that format IMO. The
HBD just needs more participation. Hopefully, I can contribute
to some of the discussion as I work on building the next version
of the soft heat mash system (aka: Flat Iron Brewery).
Pieces and parts are finally coming together. Cheers!
Dave


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:27:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Pat Babcock" <pbabcock at hbd.org>
Subject: Wrappin' in da hood...

Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...

I know, I know Dave. Workin' on it. I have written a functional
word-wrapper for the Digest server that the MTA doesn't yet like. Once I
get it to behave, I will have it go "live". (This was initially a relaxing
hobby...)

- --
See ya!

Pat Babcock in SE Michigan
Chief of HBD Janitorial Services
http://hbd.org
pbabcock at hbd.org


------------------------------
End of HOMEBREW Digest #5824, 04/12/11
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Friday, April 8, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5823 (April 08, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5823 Fri 08 April 2011


FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
TODAY'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

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Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********

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FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations
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amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible
under IRS rules as a business expense. Please consult with your
tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available
sponsorship opportunities.
***************************************************************


Contents:
RE: Immediate Gratification is Death (Patrick Babcock) (Tim Runnette)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
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Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:24:00 -0500
From: Tim Runnette <trunnette at me.com>
Subject: RE: Immediate Gratification is Death (Patrick Babcock)

After reading both Pat & AJ's posts, I'd like to add that
I agree with both of you.I enjoy the daily e-mail from
HBD and non-live interaction. The 80 character
restriction seems to catch me all the time. That is
frustrating but I should learn.

In any case I enjoy the well thought-out responses
on this forum. Furthermore, it reminds me of how
long I've been involved in the hobby.

Thanks gents,

Cheers,

Timmy


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5823, 04/08/11
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Thursday, April 7, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5822 (April 07, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5822 Thu 07 April 2011


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Immediate Gratification is Death (Patrick Babcock)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500
per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
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Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
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Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:15:37 -0400
From: Patrick Babcock <patrick.babcock at gmail.com>
Subject: Immediate Gratification is Death

Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager...

AJ comments regarding the lack of "immediacy" in the HBD format, and
suggests that this be changed...

Please go back in the archives in the vicinity of mid to late1996 and
A period of time I like to refer to as "The Book of Immediacy-Induced
Calamities". This is the period of time in which the HBD was ported to
a Majordomo format that allowed readers to get either individual
postings or Digests, and the ability to reconsider a post was
eliminated. The resulting maelstrom of emails spelled death to the
Digest, and, during this period, many long-standing, highly valued
contributors gave up in frustration and walked away, never to return.
This is why the Digest is a once daily digest. It's ability to allow a
poster to "reconsider" and cancel a post requires same - as does our
"deadman switch" moderation. What other email-based forum gives the
wrier the ability to post, cancel, edit, and repost before
publication? Also, a high paced, realtime forum requires dedicated,
realtime monitoring - something for which we haven't the resources.
Paraphrasing the words of Captain Barbossa: I am disinclined to
acquiesce to this particular suggestion.

As for the formatting issues, I am working on this. Unfortunately,
with all that is going on in my personal life and my professional
life, I've had precious little time to focus on it - but change, she
is a comin'...

See ya!

Pat Babcock
Home Brew Digest, Inc.
Chief of Janitorial Services


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Wednesday, April 6, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5821 (April 06, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5821 Wed 06 April 2011


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5.2; HBD ("A. J. deLange")
Water profiles ("Dave Draper")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
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Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
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Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 00:50:01 -0400
From: "A. J. deLange" <ajdelan at gmail.com>
Subject: 5.2; HBD

No, A.J. isn't too enthusiastic about 5.2. It's simply a mix of the mono
and dibasic sodium salts of phosphoric acid. It actually buffers at 5.8
in distilled water which has caused me to conclude that the phosphate in
the malt is supposed to supply additional phosphate to form the buffer.
But it doesn't seem to work. On another forum I say that it works well
unless there is a pH meter involved. I am waiting for the first report
from anyone who got it to do what it is supposed to do as confirmed by
properly made pH readings.

There is a reason why it doesn't work. Buffers have low buffering
capacity away from the pKs of the acid on whose salts the buffer is
based. 5.2 is not near any of the pKs of phosphoric acid (the rule of
thumb is that the difference in design pH and the nearest pK should be
less than one.)

Now all this is discussed extensively in other fora - but not here. Why?
After some head scratching I decided it is a question of format. To
submit the last message in a form HBD would accept took 4 tries - line
length etc. I had to copy the post into a text editor and insert hard
carriage returns. That aside, it then gets posted and appears next day
or the day after and the following day someone may respond which gets
posted the next day. The "competition" uses what seems these days to be
a more or less standard bulletin board format. You enter your post and
anyone who checks in 3 seconds later sees it. If he replies, and you've
ticked the proper box, you get an e-mail. IOW everything is immediate -
the instant gratification that everyone wants today, So why I am
mentioning this? In the hope that HBD might be able to get back to the
"glory days" I mentioned a day or 2 ago by changing format. I have no
idea what this would involve (other than the frustration, anger,
rage.... that are part of anything that involves software). I suspect
money would be involved.

What do the Janitors think?

A.J.


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:45:53 -0500
From: "Dave Draper" <david at draper.name>
Subject: Water profiles

On 5 Apr 2011 at 23:12, in #5820 Martin had this to say:

> I regret to say that the information posted on Dave's site is
> painfully incorrect. Unfortunately, this is an example of the
> mis-information that persists on the web and in print on water and
> water profiles. Of the non-Belgian profiles shown on that website,
> only Burton 3, Dortmund 2, Edinburgh, and Dublin 2 balance when their
> carbonate content is assumed to be bicarbonate. Dublin 1, Edinburgh
> 2, and Munich will also balance, but only if the carbonate is input as
> carbonate. Unfortunately, carbonate does not exist in significant
> concentration in typical drinking water. Most brewers would not
> understand the conflicts in these profiles.

Martin is of course completely correct, and this problem has been
known for a long time. I was merely collecting the info available at
that time. There have been dozens and dozens of posts over the years
(most by AJ!) discussing how to tweak these (and other) profiles so
that some kind of balance is achieved. I frankly haven't had the
energy to capture all that...

And it was by dumb luck that my "random beer quote" that my email
program generates for me happened to be one of AJ's...! I don't know
what the random quote will be until I hit Send...!

Cheers, Dave in Seabrook
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David S. Draper, Institute of Meteoritics, Univ New Mexico
David at Draper dot Name
Beer page: http://www.unm.edu/~draper/beer.html
...we are usually at the mercy of gravity. ---A.J. deLange


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Tuesday, April 5, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5820 (April 05, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5820 Tue 05 April 2011


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Contents:
Re: Water Profiles (mossview5)
RE: Water ("Mike Patient")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 09:28:13 -0400
From: mossview5 <mossview5 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Water Profiles

It was nice to hear from Dave Draper and his discussion of the early
days of HBD. Back in those days, information was scarce and you took
what you could get. Fortunately, those days are gone and some things
have improved.

I regret to say that the information posted on Dave's site is painfully
incorrect. Unfortunately, this is an example of the mis-information that
persists on the web and in print on water and water profiles. Of the
non-Belgian profiles shown on that website, only Burton 3, Dortmund 2,
Edinburgh, and Dublin 2 balance when their carbonate content is
assumed to be bicarbonate. Dublin 1, Edinburgh 2, and Munich will also
balance, but only if the carbonate is input as carbonate. Unfortunately,
carbonate does not exist in significant concentration in typical
drinking water.
Most brewers would not understand the conflicts in these profiles.

I see that Dave dutifully footnoted the sources of the profiles, but that old
adage GIGO truely applies here. While there is no doubt that water quality
in these locations vary with time and it is impossible to assign a
single set of
ion concentrations to a water source, but they should represent feasible
chemistry. This is a case where this information should either be corrected
or deleted to help avoid the spread of mis-information.

Let's clean up the web.

Martin

PS: Jacques didn't provide very good information either.


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:17:35 -0400
From: "Mike Patient" <mpatient at rta.biz>
Subject: RE: Water

5.2 stabalizer is great for maintaining a proper mash pH.
It works well and has served me well in the past year or two.
However, when using 5.2, any attempt to replicate a water profile will be
effortless.

Mike

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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5820, 04/05/11
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Monday, April 4, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5819 (April 04, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5819 Mon 04 April 2011


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Contents:
Water (rgriller)
Water profiles ("Dave Draper")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
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Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:49:03 +0000
From: rgriller at chass.utoronto.ca
Subject: Water

I guess it wouldn't be good to ask

AJ what he thinks of just

dechlorinating and using 5.2 for

pH. :)

Does RO water have the trace

elements yeast like/need?


Robin

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 07:01:44 -0500
From: "Dave Draper" <david at draper.name>
Subject: Water profiles

Dear Friends,

In #5818, AJ gives a friendly shout-out:

"Yes, HBD was, in its glory days, the place to go for water profile
data and discussion. IIRC it really got kicked off when Dave Draper
published a set of water profiles for all the famous brewing spots in
the world e.g. Pilsen, Munich, Dublin... "

Despite many moves and gyrations, my beer pages remain intact... the
link in my .sig block takes you there, and the direct shot to the
water composition tables is:

http://home.comcast.net/~david.s.draper/beer/waterpro.html

Thanks for tipping the cap AJ!

Cheers, Dave in Seabrook (TX)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
David S. Draper, Institute of Meteoritics, Univ New Mexico
David at Draper dot Name
Beer page: http://www.unm.edu/~draper/beer.html
Cross your fingers and wait it out. ---A. J. deLange


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End of HOMEBREW Digest #5819, 04/04/11
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Sunday, April 3, 2011

Homebrew Digest #5818 (April 03, 2011)

HOMEBREW Digest #5818 Sun 03 April 2011


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Contents:
Brewing Water Tools ("A.J deLange")


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to
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per year. If less than half of those currently directly
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be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to
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Financial Projection As of 28 Mar 2011
*** Condition: Green & Healthy ***
501(c)3 at risk
Projected 2011 Budget $3671.04
Expended against projection $1180.53
Projected Excess/(Shortfall) $1899.30

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Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:55:11 -0400
From: "A.J deLange" <ajdel at cox.net>
Subject: Brewing Water Tools

Yes, HBD was, in its glory days, the place
to go for water profile data and discussion.
IIRC it really got kicked off when Dave
Draper published a set of water profiles for all
the famous brewing spots in the world
e.g. Pilsen, Munich, Dublin... There had, of course,
been discussions about water chemistry
prior to that but I remember this list because it
occurred to me, new to all this at
the time, that I could write software that would
calculate the salt additions that could be
added to low ion water to produce those profiles
and I did that. I'd load up my Mac of the
era with a set of profiles and kick it off
before I went to bed at night and by next
morning, I'd have the recipes. They are still
on my website at www.wetnewf.org. I think
there are 21 of them and, if you believe in
the profiles, they are still valid.

In the course of doing this I noted a few
important things about the profile collection
(to which I have added from other sources
over the years). First, pH is never given.
Second, there is no consistency in how
bicarbonate is reported. Third,
no hypothesis
about what the number labeled
"bicarbonate" or "carbonate" means
will give, in the
majority of cases, an electrically
balanced ion profile unless one assumes a
ridiculously high pH. IOW, most of the
profiles list more cations than anions and
one can only balance them by raising the pH
to the point where there are enough OH-
ions to effect the balance. Fourth, when
nature puts bicarbonate into water she does
so by dissolving limestone with carbonic
acid so that if one wants to simulate a
particular carbonaceous water he must do
the same. Thus all the profiles I generated
call for a certain amount of carbon dioxide.

Naturally people back then did not want
recipes based on distilled water -
they wanted to know how much of what to
add to their water to duplicate the
water of the Isar. Sounds like an obvious
job for an Excel (which everyone has)
spreadsheet and those have proliferated.
Just do a search on "water spreadsheet"
on the net and you will find several of
them to choose from. The emphasis today
seems to be not so much on how much of
what to add to get Isar as it is to predict
mash pH and this is, of course, very
important and the water chemistry is a big
part. None of the spreadsheets of which
I am aware (except mine) models alkalinity
correctly. If a spreadsheet isn't asking
you what the pH of the source water is
and what you want the pH of the treated
water to be and isn't giving you the opportunity
to add CO2 (not that you would want to
be bothered with that in most cases) then
it isn't modeling the carbonate chemistry
correctly. However, there is some good
news. If source and target water pH is
less than 8.3 you can get away with
approximations and that's a good thing.
If you download and compare some of the
spreadsheets to mine (also at wetnewf)
you will see how much complexity complete
modeling requires. One caveat with the
spreadsheets: if a spreadsheet advises the
addition of calcium carbonate or sodium
bicarbonate to mash or water don't do it.
See Step 5 in the list below

As we get older and wiser our philosophy
about things changes. Today, as noted
by an earlier poster, the tendency is not
so much to duplicate the water of the Isar
(if you could you would have to know how
the brewers treated it, if at all when they
made their beers in order to achieve an
"authentic" Helles or Bock) as it is to produce
a good beer. That turns out to be much simpler
than duplicating Isar water with the CO2
bottle requirement, complex calculations.
The procedure is:
1. Start with the lowest mineral content
water you can. RO systems are now relatively
inexpensive and produce low enough mineral
content unless you have really nasty feed water.
2. Add enough calcium chloride
(food grade from LHBS) to get the calcium content up to
around 50 ppm.
3. If brewing from Pilsner base malt add
3% sauermalz to the gist, and if from ale malt
1.5%. In very dark beers don't use sauermalz.
Other acids can be used in place of sauermalz
but . sauermalz is just easy to estimate
(1 % for each 0.1 pH drop desired) easy to measure
out and available from most HB suppliers.
4. Check mash pH! Use a meter.
The strips read consistently low. This is extremely
important. pH should be around 5.4
5. If mash pH is too high then add more acid.
If it is too low then add base (carbonate,
bicarbonate, slaked lime). This is the only
situation in which base should be added to
mash. You will have less of a chance of
undershooting (low pH) if you add the sauermalz
in portions only adding the later portions
if the meter reading shows them to be necessary.
If increasing mash pH then add only small
amounts of alkali, stir, wait and remeasure.

This will get you a good beer. Now it is
up to you to figure out how to make it better.
Find out whatever you can about the style
you are interested in. If you know that the beer
you want to brew is traditionally brewed
with high sulfate water then brew this beer
again substituting gypsum (food grade from
LHBS) for some of the calcium chloride and
brew it again. If the beer you are shooting
for tastes salty (Export), add some
(non iodized) table salt. Etc. Take careful
notes and keep experimenting. Only you can
decide what combination of salts give you
the flavor character you desire. But you must
have proper mash pH. Get that right and
proper pH will be realized throughout the rest of
the process. Let it go too high and all
flavors become flat and the beers dull.

In summary I think I am saying, despite
all the effort I have put into understanding
the chemistry so that I can match a profile
to fractions of a percent that you should
forget about profiles except as a general
source of information about the water from
which a beer was originally brewed. There
is tons of discussion of this at various
places on the net. Search "brewing water".

So what do you need?
1. A source of low ion water. Cheap RO
unit from home improvement store or reef aquarium
supplier. Or, if you want to see if I'm
telling the truth or not before spending money on
one of those, RO water from the health
food store. If you are blessed with something like
Portland water, you don't need RO.
2. Calcium chloride, calcium carbonate
(you won't use it often), calcium sulfate (gypsum).
All should be food grade. LHBSs have these
in small quantities and they are not expensive
3. Sauermalz or lactic or phosphoric acid
or, if you live in the UK, CRS (a blend of food
grade hydrochloric and sulfuric acids).
All from the HBS.
4. A pH meter. This is the biggie for many.
Decent ones are now available for less than
$100 but that's still an appreciable outlay
for many. Don't use the strips. They will
trick you into adding salts when you don't
have to.
5. Knowledge. This is the tough one. There
is a lot of misinformation floating
around out there and the only way to
separate wheat from chaff is to understand
enough of the actual chemistry. I have
(again at the wetnewf site) a couple of
monographs on alkalinity and a paper on
what is involved in establishing mash tun
pH. These cover the ground but may be a
"drink from a fire hose" for someone just
starting out. If so, and you are motivated
enough, get a basic chemistry text, learn
the fundamentals (about atoms, molecules,
ions, moles, equivalents etc.)
and then bore in on law of mass action
and chemical equilibrium (the part of
the course we all hated in college).
If they name it as such, the
Henderson-Hsselbalch equation is the
powerhouse in brewing water chemistry
(it's used to calculate how bicarbonate
behaves). This is usually thoroughly
discussed in biochemistry texts.

A.J.


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